Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by menacingly on Thursday November 03, 2022 @09:53PM
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I see what you're saying, but I think this is a take that doesn't stand up to much analysis. The correct amount of employees is the goal, we wouldn't cheer their workforce growing by 10x as a universal good, it's not sustainable and likely to imperil the jobs of everyone. But it's the "good" that's the inverse of this "bad".
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Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by yakaccount4 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:16PM
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> I see what you're saying, but I think this is a take that doesn't stand up to much analysis.
I don't think it needs to, nor was I trying to make any kind of argument of the sort. The (former) employees are going to suffer and pay the price for the past mistakes of the corporate leaders. It's a depressing situation even if it is the absolute correct action for Twitter to take.
For that reason, I don't think it is hard to understand why there are so many comments against the layoffs.
Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by dmak on Thursday November 03, 2022 @09:59PM
(#33460893)
I didn't really understand yakaccount4's take on this. If they are concerned about optics, what can one do to not layoff? would they just let the company continue to perform mediocrely and continue to bloat its burn just for the sake of not laying off people?
Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by throw_nbvc1234 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:06PM
(#33460969)
> would they just let the company continue to perform mediocrely and continue to bloat its burn just for the sake of not laying off people?
Who's more important the workers or the company? I bet the answer to that question will align with people's views on the layoffs.
Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by WalterBright on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:32PM
(#33461246)
> Who's more important the workers or the company?
The workers all lose when the company goes bust.
Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by Godel_unicode on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:12PM
(#33461609)
The company goes bust without the workers. There’s more to it than just the extremes.
Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by WalterBright on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:17AM
(#33462138)
True. It's also true that the best thing a company can do for its workers is make a decent profit.
Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by Godel_unicode on Saturday November 05, 2022 @03:16AM
(#33478786)
Amazon went over a decade minting millionaire employees while not making a profit. Ditto Uber, and half of the other cheap-money unicorns.
Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by menacingly on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:23PM
(#33461149)
this makes the common mistake that there will always continue to be a company with resources for the workers, regardless of how it performs. The company as a concept exists as a going concern, _then_ it can support workers. If the company ceased to exist, the workers could continue to report to work and produce output, but they would be unhappy with the compensation.
Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by dmak on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:21PM
(#33461127)
It's not that black and white. It's nuanced, it is situational, and it is conditional.
Re:Twitter to start layoffs -internal email
by anonymousab on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:03AM
(#33462046)
Firing people based off of "lines of code submitted" immediately after crunching them for 80+ hour weeks is a really shitty way of trying to accomplish that goal.