Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her turned into an AI model

Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by grumbel on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:51AM (#33432110)

> There's nothing inevitable about it.

Everything you can come up with as a "solution" is really just a stop gap measure. Instead of specifying the style by name, you could specify it by example image. Instead of training the AI on her images directly, you could train a second generation AI on images drawn in that style generated by another AI that was trained on her images. Thus your second generation AI would be free of any copyrighted work. And of course the whole copyright thing only comes into play when people redistribute the AI. If AI is easy to train yourself locally, even that doesn't matter anymore.

If you want to go all Butlerian Jihad on the world, you might be able to stop it. As long as AI is allowed, this ain't going away, it's only getting easier, cheaper and faster.

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Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by happymellon on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:55AM (#33432499)

I'm pretty sure if you steal a diamond from a diamond thief it is still considered theft from the original owner.

Your "indirection" hasn't ever been a valid argument.

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Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by oneeyedpigeon on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:42AM (#33432826)

In fact, in that case, the indirection does the opposite of protect: even receiving the diamond from the original thief as a gift is illegal.

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Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by anhner on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:20AM (#33433145)

Except you're not stealing anything and the "thief" didn't steal anything, either. You both just made a copy.

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Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by oneeyedpigeon on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:47AM (#33432866)

For all we know, this could already be happening. Every digital image produced yesterday could have been AI-generated for all anyone knows. The original artist in this story could already be using AI to create their own work. Of course, I don't actually believe that's what's happening in this case, but the fact that it could means it's probably impossible to return this genie to its lamp.

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Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by mihaic on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:28AM (#33433661)

It honestly sounds like you're making a good argument for a Butlerian Jihad in that case.

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Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by macrolime on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:16AM (#33433987)

HN suddenly filled with a bunch of crazy luddites. Why don't we instill the death penalty for artists who has taken inspiration from other artists while we're at it.

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Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by galangalalgol on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @08:18AM (#33434515)

I know right? I think all those FBI warnings worked maybe, and the new generation of geeks think IP is actually a moral thing instead of a corporate money-grab.

Also, Herbert wasn't against AI I don't think. I suspect he simply recognized he couldn't comprehend the world that far in the future if AI was a part of it. Instead, he used space magic to explore his very present reality of resource wars, and went on to make a point I'm not sure I understand, about too much political order and resultant stagnation causing self annihilation.

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Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by mihaic on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:23PM (#33438394)

I was joking, but HN at the same time is filled with people that believe regulation only stifles innovation.

So just because AI is inevitable doesn't mean that we should abandon all regulation. There would be good merit in slowing down some progress, so we can actually maintain a good transition to new industries.

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