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Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by Semaphor on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @03:58AM (#33418238)
But that’s not what’s happening here, how is anything Firefox does with their switch crippling adblocking?
Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @05:49AM (#33418981)
What's happening is step 1 - Firefox buying into MV3, even if with its own tweaks, and mentioning that DNR is a thing that will happen eventually. Step 2 - once people get used to it and drama dies down - the implementation will likely become very close to Chrome, under the guise of not fragmenting the dev experience and similar nonsense excuses.

These moves keep happening in tech all the time. Slippery slope fallacy doesn't work here - if you see something that looks like slippery slope in a tech business, it almost definitely is one.

Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by Semaphor on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @06:12AM (#33419146)
But they never mention removing WebRequest, only having DNR in addition where it makes sense for performance reasons (and for compatibility with chrome), not having it would be stupid. I’m all for slippery slope arguments, if they are well-founded, not if it sounds like wild conspiracy theories.
Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by bawolff on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @06:15AM (#33419164)
Is your claim that firefox and chrome are joining forces as part of a conspiracy to prop up advertisers?

Quite frankly i feel like every time a web browser is mentioned on hn, everyone reaches to weird conspiracies.

Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @06:47AM (#33419385)
> Is your claim that firefox and chrome are joining forces as part of a conspiracy to prop up advertisers?

No, because there is no conspiracy needed. Chrome is a product of an adtech company, and Firefox is funded by the very same one. Mozilla is at best fighting a losing battle here, forced to make concessions to survive. Or, it could be argued that Firefox exists only to serve as an antitrust shield for Google.

Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by Semaphor on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @07:23AM (#33419699)
> forced to make concessions to survive

I disagree

> Or, it could be argued that Firefox exists only to serve as an antitrust shield for Google.

That might well be why google funds them. I can’t say I mind, and it doesn’t make them more user-unfriendly.

Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by Dah00n on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @08:16AM (#33420153)
>it doesn’t make them more user-unfriendly

Mozilla or Google?

If Mozilla: Do you think that Mozilla would think of their users' privacy if it meant alienating Google and loosing their money? I'm not picking a side here - I have no idea so I'm just asking.

Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by Semaphor on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @08:57AM (#33420534)
> Do you think that Mozilla would think of their users' privacy if it meant alienating Google

Yes. One example is tracking protection, which blocks Google Analytics on every FF installation by default.

Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by sfink on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @01:56PM (#33424819)
I'm puzzled why you think supporting DNR is a bad thing. I get the argument that it feels like it moves closer to abandoning blocking web requests, and that's probably more a question of trust than anything.

But there are valid technical reasons to support DNR. It really does make more sense from a performance point of view, if it happens to support what you need. If not, then it's good to have blocking web requests available. And there's good reason to be unhappy if Firefox drops them. I don't see any strong incentives for doing so, though.

Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @03:24PM (#33426141)
> I'm puzzled why you think supporting DNR is a bad thing.

You actually got it in your first paragraph - for me, it's a trust issue. I don't trust Mozilla to retain web request blocking, particularly when DNR becomes established in Firefox and most extensions migrate: because then, the argument for removal web request blocking will be, "look, there's very few legitimate extensions using this, and it's a Huge Security Hole, and everyone standardized on DNR already".

Re:Mozilla blog: Begin your MV3 migration by implementing ne... by im3w1l on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @07:40PM (#33429388)
> Last fall [i.e. 2019], we announced our intention to support add-ons in Mozilla’s reinvented Firefox for Android browser (...) In the next few weeks, uBlock Origin will be the first add-on to become available in the new Firefox for Android.

Sounds to me like uBlock is literally top priority for Mozilla, so I don't see why they would do that.

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/02/06/ublock-origin-for...