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Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by stillworks on Monday October 31, 2022 @02:42AM (#33402692)

  That's literally trivial for a car with radar to detect.
In principle that is correct… but radars in automotive application are unable (or rather not used) to detect non-moving targets ?

Asking this because I know first hand that the adaptive cruise function in my car must have a moving vehicle in front of it for the adaptive aspect to work. It will not detect a vehicle that is already stopped.

The resolution of the radar is pretty good though, even if the vehicle in the front is just merely creeping off breaks… it does get detected if it is at or more than the “cruising distance” set up initially.

The AEB function on my car depends on the camera.

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by cbsmith on Monday October 31, 2022 @02:51AM (#33402730)
Adaptive cruise control is solving a totally different problem. It is specifically looking for moving objects to match pace with. That's very different from autonomous driving systems.

Radar is quite good at finding stationary metal objects, particularly. Putting it in a car, if anything, helps, because the station objects are more likely to be moving relative to the car...

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by ra7 on Monday October 31, 2022 @03:19AM (#33402868)
The newer “4D imaging” radars can track stationary objects too. This is what the self driving companies have turned to in recent times.
Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by tim-fan on Monday October 31, 2022 @03:43AM (#33403011)
My understanding is that your typical automotive radar will have insufficient angular resolution to reliably distinguish, say, an overpass from a semi blocking the road, or a pedestrian standing in the middle of the road from one on the footpath.

Radar does however have the advantage of measuring object speed directly via the doppler effect, so you can filter out all stationary objects reliably, then assume that all moving objects are on the road in front of you and need to be reacted/responded to.

So I think it's the case that radar can detect stationary objects easily, but cannot determine their position enough to be useful, hence in practice stationary objects are ignored.