Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president

Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by Dma54rhs on Sunday October 30, 2022 @08:22PM (#33400540)

The problem with electronic voting is that it's either impossible or extremely unlikely to prove either way. Germans and many others have banned them for that reason.

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Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by gtirloni on Sunday October 30, 2022 @08:30PM (#33400607)

Usually unprovable hypothesis are discarded.

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Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by suggestion on Sunday October 30, 2022 @08:36PM (#33400655)

So the unprovable hypothesis that the election was legitimate and all votes were cast legitimately and accurately should be discarded

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Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by Dma54rhs on Sunday October 30, 2022 @08:34PM (#33400636)

Not really. Definitely not when it comes to voting. Before Trump the idea of voting machine fraud and the impossible task to be certain of integrity of the elections was fairly non conspiratorial idea.

I've never seen voting machines but I remember reading constantly about US southern states using them and the suspicions. As I said many democratic nations have banned them.

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Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by gtirloni on Sunday October 30, 2022 @08:45PM (#33400713)

Just show evidence the electronic voting was rigged in Brazil and we can all move on.

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Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by Dma54rhs on Sunday October 30, 2022 @09:01PM (#33400811)

I don't have such evidence and I don't claim it, but I do claim using machines it's impossible to prove otherwise which is a problem in democracy.

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Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by Georgelemental on Sunday October 30, 2022 @10:49PM (#33401528)

Even if there is 0 rigging or fraud whatsoever, the mere possibility that there could have been such hurts trust in the democratic process.

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Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by matheusmoreira on Monday October 31, 2022 @04:53AM (#33403381)

They're the ones who have to demonstrate the system is secure and trustworthy.

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Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by gtirloni on Monday October 31, 2022 @05:13AM (#33403476)

"They" have done it multiple times. You're not satisfied, apparently. Show the evidence.

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Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by matheusmoreira on Monday October 31, 2022 @05:38AM (#33403633)

Of course I am not satisfied. This "we're going to invite other institutions to look at the system" bullshit did not convince me at all. Show me the source code so I can verify myself, so I can post it here to get other smart people to look at it. Show me the proof that said source code is running in every voting machine and vote counting computers.

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Re:Lula defeats Bolsonaro to again become Brazil’s president by gchamonlive on Sunday October 30, 2022 @09:38PM (#33401047)

The electronic voting system is auditable though:

https://portal.tcu.gov.br/en_us/imprensa/news/tcu-audits-bra...

There are many valid criticisms against this system. It not being opensource, it's audit process being very restrictive etc... There is a nice presentation following a conclusion of a vulnerability test that highlight many of the issues: https://youtu.be/4MgsGdbtf6o

But this impossibility you claim is just nonsensical.

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