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Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by Retric on Sunday October 30, 2022 @07:41PM (#33400252)
The video has a more reasonable answer.

The sensors are unreliable and expensive in terms of R&D. Having marginal parts which takes money from a finite R&D budget can easily result in a worse product. “They contribute noise and entropy into everything.”

His standpoint can be summed up as “I think some of the other companies are going to drop it.” Which would be really interesting if true.

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by a1369209993 on Sunday October 30, 2022 @08:20PM (#33400525)
> Having marginal parts which takes money from a finite R&D budget can easily result in a worse product.

"Less sensors can be more safe/effective if that allows us to focus on making effective use of the sensor information we do have, which is the result we're aiming for with this descision." would be a reasonable answer (if true), but that doesn't seem like a fair interpretation of what he actually said.

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by Retric on Sunday October 30, 2022 @08:51PM (#33400749)
It’s fairly rambling but he touches on that exact point several times most specifically here at the 2 minute mark:

“Organizationally it can be very distracting. If all you want to get to work is vision resources are on it and you’re actually making forward progress. That is the sensor with the most bandwidth the most constraints and you’re investing fully into that and you can make that extremely good. You only have a finite amount of spend of focus across different facets of the system.”

Which was from this section: Q: “Is it more bloat in the data engine?”

“100%” (Q:“is it a distraction?”) “These sensors can change over time.” “Suddenly you need to worry about it. And they will have different distributions. They contribute noise and entropy into everything and they bloat stuff”.

Even earlier he says:

“These sensors aren’t free…” list of reasons including “you have to fuse them into the system in some way. So that like bloats the organization” “The cost is high and you’re not particularly seeing it if your just a computer vision engineer and I am just trying to improve my network.”

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by dmix on Sunday October 30, 2022 @09:07PM (#33400844)
Isn’t that his point though? Where exactly is he not saying that?

I listened to his answer three times and I’m not able to come up with a different interpretation than that.

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday October 30, 2022 @11:12PM (#33401654)
> Isn’t that his point though? Where exactly is he not saying that?

Andrej eventually gets to it. But his first response was to evade. Lex is a skilled interviewer. By not letting him wriggle out of a difficult question we eventually got a substantive answer. But Andrej's first instinct was to evade. That's notable.

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by dmix on Sunday October 30, 2022 @11:43PM (#33401818)
I don't agree Lex is a skilled interviewer, he's great at creating interesting conversations in the aw-shucks way Joe Rogan is, but he mostly plays a fanboy role. I still love a Lex interview.

Otherwise I agree.

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by JumpCrisscross on Monday October 31, 2022 @12:07AM (#33401940)
> don't agree Lex is a skill interviewer

Fair enough. Seemingly practiced may be a better description. (I'm not super familiar with his work.)

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by 1123581321 on Sunday October 30, 2022 @10:15PM (#33401314)
That was exactly his point. I listened earlier today. (It being his point doesn’t mean he is necessarily right.)
Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by lambdasquirrel on Sunday October 30, 2022 @10:33PM (#33401429)
Didn't they used to talk about how the Tesla radar could actually see the reflections of the car ahead of the one just in front of you? i.e. the radar reflection bouncing underneath the car just in front of you?

This is what doesn't add up to me. Either a lot of that previous wonder-talk was actually a lie, or there's something else going on here.

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by hello639 on Sunday October 30, 2022 @10:49PM (#33401529)
> Either a lot of that previous wonder-talk was actually a lie, or there's something else going on here.

Tesla dropped radar and ultrasonic due to supply shortages. Nothing to do with their AI being smart.

Many first-hand reports on Tesla fanboy forums on how no-radar and no-ultrasonic autopilot is far worse than with the sensors.