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Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by patrec on Sunday October 30, 2022 @06:56PM (#33399889)
> I thought it was telling that Andrej immediately "reframed" the question because Lex asked the "wrong question". This is a classic evasion technique

I agree with this assessment. However:

> Telsa can't support additional sensors without incurring a prohibitive amount of additional risk to Tesla. Risk to passengers doesn't appear to be a consideration.

This is a stupidifying take. Of course when you work in a line of business producing gadgets that, as an unintended side-effect, kill a lot of people (napkin math suggests above 2 milli-kills per car in the US), you will need to pick a point at which you say further fatality reduction is no longer justified given the economic cost of achieving it. Even if you are a pure altruist (if you go out of business, less safe cars will replace yours). Conversely, even if you are the embodiment of capitalist evil, risks to passengers will absolutely affect your bottom line and if are rational you will take them into consideration. Any meaningful criticism needs to be about the trade-offs they make, not that they make them or are loath to explicitly say so on camera.

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by bumby on Sunday October 30, 2022 @07:39PM (#33400232)
I don’t necessarily disagree that the tradeoffs are the important part. But it begs the question about who sets the thresholds for acceptable risk. With public safety, this is usually the govt regulatory body but I don’t think we’re there yet. Meaning your conclusion may be premature.
Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by CharlesW on Sunday October 30, 2022 @09:46PM (#33401098)
> …you will need to pick a point at which you say further fatality reduction is no longer justified given the economic cost of achieving it.

You're right — the sad truth is that corporations put costs on human lives every day. Where I think we disagree is that you believe they made the decision based primarily on costs. After watching this video, I believe they made the decision because they didn't think they could reliably implement and support a sensor fusion approach.

(BTW, I enjoyed "stupidifying"! I'm sorry I made people stupider.)

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by ClumsyPilot on Sunday October 30, 2022 @10:25PM (#33401379)
> risks to passengers will absolutely affect your bottom line and if are rational you will take them into consideration

percieved, not real risks to customers. PR matters more than reality

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by patrec on Monday October 31, 2022 @04:15AM (#33403191)
It is kind of hard to control perceived risks to passengers without taking actual risks to them into account.