How I Survived a Year in ‘The Hole’ Without Losing My Mind

Re:How I Survived a Year in ‘The Hole’ Without Losing My Mind by PuppyTailWags on Sunday October 30, 2022 @03:55PM (#33398017)

> we tried pulling back policing and slap-on-the-wrist prosecution policies and violent crime is surging

Firstly, where is pulling back policing happening? I don't know of a single city that has actually reduced their police size to any real sense?

Additionally, how do we know this isn't just correlation and not causation? Inflation is higher, more people are addicted to things, housing insecurity is rising.

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Re:How I Survived a Year in ‘The Hole’ Without Losing My Mind by alex_sf on Sunday October 30, 2022 @04:15PM (#33398204)

> Firstly, where is pulling back policing happening?

Most metropolitan areas. Seattle [1][2] and Minneapolis [3] have both established public policies of not responding to, citing, or arresting for a wide range of offenses.

> I don't know of a single city that has actually reduced their police size to any real sense?

Minneapolis has reduced the number of police officers, through various means, by 30%. [4]

> Additionally, how do we know this isn't just correlation and not causation?

Because we have multiple studies proving a causal relationship. [5][6]

[1] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/sea...

[2] https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/seattle-police-bellevue-oth...

[3] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-poli...

[4] https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/minnesota-supreme-cou...

[5] https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/rssa.12142

[6] https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/426877

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Re:How I Survived a Year in ‘The Hole’ Without Losing My Mind by PuppyTailWags on Sunday October 30, 2022 @05:51PM (#33399171)

If this is true, then why are the places with the least crime also not the places with the most police? I'm genuinely asking out of curiosity.

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Re:How I Survived a Year in ‘The Hole’ Without Losing My Mind by alex_sf on Sunday October 30, 2022 @06:58PM (#33399907)

Crime has multiple causes, and multiple solutions. One proven solution is increased police presence. It isn't required, though.

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Re:How I Survived a Year in ‘The Hole’ Without Losing My Mind by PuppyTailWags on Sunday October 30, 2022 @07:59PM (#33400388)

Thanks for educating me about it!

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Re:How I Survived a Year in ‘The Hole’ Without Losing My Mind by rmasters on Sunday October 30, 2022 @07:02PM (#33399960)

I'm not the person you asked, but if I rephrase your question to "Then why do some places with low crime have less police?", then the answer just seems to be common sense.

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