No, it's over. Look, the LIDAR value proposition was necessarily "Yes, we're outrageously expensive and involve major tradeoffs in physical design of the vehicle, but vision can simply never do what we do". And... vision does. It does, every day. On hundreds of thousands of cars.

In point of fact FSD beta vehicles are out there every day in environments where LIDAR has never been deployed, nor likely ever tested. And we're not seeing clear "it can't do this" failures. Anywhere.

The closest you're going to get to evidence against vision are things like that "It Hit A Kid!" stunt from a few months back that turned out to be basically faked[1].

[1] At least the perps went silent and no one was ever able to reproduce. I mean the whole idea was ridiculous: my car twitches at pedestrians, including kids, including my kids, every day. It literally draws them on the screen.

> And we're not seeing clear "it can't do this" failures. Anywhere

Do you have evidence of the number of accidents, disengagements etc by region ?

Because you're making awfully definitive statements about FSD safety.

Tesla doesn’t release any data. But there are community trackers [1] that puts the disengagement rate in the single digit miles. In comparison, Waymo and Cruise had a rate of roughly 30,000 miles/disengagement according to CA DMV data. That’s how much worse Tesla FSD is.

[1] https://www.teslafsdtracker.com/

Do you actually have FSD Beta? I do. It's not anywhere near the level of polish that you seem to imply it is. It gets things wrong all the time. Turns are downright dangerous.