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Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by tomp on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:48AM (#33372973)
The whole idea of “deadnaming being bad” is an ultra-woke thing.

Why is it offensive to say that my celebrity crush used to be Ellen Page (until she came out as lesbian)?

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by chomp on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:57AM (#33373123)
It isn't offensive, and no (reasonable) people are claiming it is.

What's not appropriate, is referring to the person that exists today, as Ellen Page.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by tomp on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:00PM (#33373168)
She’s the same person!
Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by Comevius on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:13PM (#33373402)
They don't think so. Some claims that they were born with the wrong body, so their deadname was a mistake. This is why they call it deadname.

Even if you are not transgender, just imagine changing your name, telling everyone about it, and someone would come along insisting on calling you using your former name, practicly mocking, belittling you and your choice. Now imagine them doing the same to your entire identity.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by eesmith on Friday October 28, 2022 @03:22PM (#33376330)
Similarly, a woman who exits a bitter and acrimonious divorce may change her name back to her maiden name, and hates it when people refer to her as "Mrs. Ex-Name".

Or a daughter who dislikes her father so much that, upon reaching adulthood, changes her surname because she wants to be completely disassociated from him. (In the case I'm thinking of, she said something along the lines "he wasn't my father, he was the sperm donor" - he left when she was a few years old.)

Personally, I understood the idea first through Malcolm X, who rejected "the white slavemaster name of 'Little'" he was given at birth. And the respect Howard Cosell had to refer to Muhammad Ali by Ali's chosen name, while most others used and even taunted him with his old one.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by chomp on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:11PM (#33373352)
Same ghost, different machine. Their identity is now Eliot. Probably wouldn't even be an issue to call them Ellen if we lived in a world where people weren't deliberate with their mis-identification to troll trans people, but here we are.
Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by fzeroracer on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:15PM (#33373427)
If I change my name from John to Jack and people keep calling me John, I'm probably going to be annoyed. Moreso if they're clearly doing it to try and get under my skin.
Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:12PM (#33373380)
> Why is it offensive to say that my celebrity crush used to be Ellen Page (until she came out as lesbian)?

It isn't.

Talking about someone's dead name is not offensive.

Referring to someone using their deadname today is. For example, saying "Ellen Page was really good in the latest season of The Umbrella Academy" is offensive because at that point, they were identifying as Elliot.

In the case of someone not being notable before a transition, talk of their deadname is offensive because it is clearly being done in bad faith. If they were transitioned before they became a notable person, why the obsession with knowing their deadname? There's really only one reason: Because you want to call them that as an "own" against transgender people.

Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by Jcowell on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:53AM (#33373048)
No one is getting offended for you saying your crush was Ellen Page.
Re:The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended by cmh89 on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:56AM (#33373102)
I'm confused, are you saying that you don't understand the concept of being offensive, or you believe the concept of something being 'offensive' is an "ultra-woke thing"?