Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims
by sgc on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:23AM
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I think one of the the questions being asked here is if there is not something a bit more sinister than just being a cowboy at play, but that it is a ruse to make money. I was literally asking myself that question this morning before I heard of this case. I had no answer (mainly because there is not enough evidence against the hypothesis). I am interested to see what, if anything, they manage to unearth.
Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims
by user_named on Thursday October 27, 2022 @12:38AM
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Tesla would have gone bankrupt without selling FSD, which is a 100% margin vaporware product.
Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims
by epgui on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:03AM
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The financial statements would disagree.
Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims
by user_named on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:13AM
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No
Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims
by epgui on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:25PM
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Yes lol, go read them.
Even ignoring any possibility of raising more capital, the amount of revenue recognized from FSD is much smaller than the financial hit that would have been required to bankrupt the company, at every point in time.
Re:Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims
by FireBeyond on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:26AM
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"Go read them". In yet another case of "why hasn't someone sued/why hasn't the SEC slapped the shit out of him"...
> Tesla CEO Elon Musk revealed that the carmaker was “about a month” from bankruptcy during the run-up in Model 3 production from mid-2017 to mid-2019
Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/03/musk-tesla-was-about-a-month...
You're right, that never really appeared in the annual reports. So either Musk lied to CNBC, or the annual reports played down Tesla's actual position.
(One of) the things that pisses me off about this is all through Tesla's marketing and website, the consistent undertone is that these are complete and working, but that much of EAP and FSD is "just awaiting regulatory approval", when that's far from the case.
Of course, it's very convenient for Tesla, too, if it never happens (and I think we are a decade or so at least from anything), they will just point blame away from themselves, ignoring that what they've offered would never reach the barrier for regulatory approval. And there will be the usual cries about the short sellers, and "big oil" pressure, rather than placing blame where it lies, Elon's cowboy-esque attitude to the whole thing.