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Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by derelicta on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:09AM (#33343093)
Depending where you are, its illegal. For example in France, if you dont keep a register of whoever used your wi-fi, you are in breach of anti-terrorist norms.
Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by anonym29 on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:42AM (#33343561)
Sounds like this law makes it much easier to frame people than planting drugs and calling the cops. /s
Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by hannob on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:26AM (#33343337)
I haven't been to France in a while. Is this actually enforced in any meaningful way? Like, you can't go to Starbucks or a shopping center and use their wifi without some kind of identity verification? How does that practically work?
Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by derelicta on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:30AM (#33343398)
It's fairly simple; there is a captive portal where you have to enter your phone number, phone number that ends up being validated by sms.

and yes its actually surprinsingly enforced. I remember reading an article a few months ago where café's owners had to pay hefty fines for not implementing those "safety" measures.

Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by tablespoon on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:31AM (#33343421)
>>> Depending where you are, its illegal. For example in France, if you dont keep a register of whoever used your wi-fi, you are in breach of anti-terrorist norms.

> It's fairly simple; there is a captive portal where you have to enter your phone number, phone number that ends up being validated by sms.

They have similar requirements in China, and they do exactly the same thing there.

Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by registeredcorn on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @10:46AM (#33344503)
What about people who don't own a phone?
Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by scarface74 on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @10:59AM (#33344726)
The worldwide cell phone penetration rate is 91%

https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-many-phones-are-in-the-w...

It’s not a money maker for them, I doubt they care.

Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by Am4TIfIsER0ppos on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @12:47PM (#33346296)
More government pressure to require you to carry a tracking device.
Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by scarface74 on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @01:35PM (#33346865)
Yes because without government pressure the 92% of the worlds population wouldn’t have cell phones.
Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by Am4TIfIsER0ppos on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @05:26PM (#33349721)
Carrot then stick.
Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by jraph on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:31AM (#33343412)
Usually, captive portals make you enter your name and your email address. Many times, you can just put garbage, click ok and you have your internet access. There's no email verification in many places.

Some wifi access points (like the ones from cities) make you create an account though.

Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by mnw21cam on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:38AM (#33343512)
How would you verify your email address while you're trying to get wifi access if you don't have wifi access?
Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by jraph on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @10:03AM (#33343871)
Yes.

(more seriously, they could make it very annoying until you verify, like let you connect for a few minutes only, or at very low speed. Still, yes, and I guess this is a major reason why they don't make people verify their email address)

Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by maximus-decimus on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:28AM (#33343361)
I imagine they just use their super cheap cellular data plans.
Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by jraph on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:35AM (#33343477)
Yes. However, at some places, like inside some buildings, you have a good wifi but very bad mobile network reception.

In high speed trains the wifi might also be stabler than your phone because the system behind the wifi is designed to work with the high speed you are moving at.

Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by soco on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:54AM (#33343725)
My experience with train wifi is that the wifi signal is great but beyond the portal nothing else works.
Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by jraph on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @10:01AM (#33343841)
I regularly take the train. I've had good experiences most of the times, and catastrophic experiences some of the times. It depends on the location, also. Some lines are better served.

This is not something you can rely on however. Take it as a bonus if it works.

Re:Ask HN: How do we convince all hotels to just provide fre... by bobby1234 on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @10:17AM (#33344074)
Funny, anti-terrorism to track everyone using wifi, yet known subjects have done repeated attacks all without using wifi.