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Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by throwawaylinux on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @10:19PM (#33338958)
People were rabidly cheering it on too. Police going around shutting playgrounds and arresting parents for playing outdoors with their children, while at the same time the politicians they voted for were constantly and egregiously shown to be flouting the rules on frivolities, parties, travel, fun. And there were excuses for the politicians and bloodlust for the commoner trying to exercise or raise their child. Absolutely flabbergasting.

I used to wonder how on earth nazis and communists and the like were able to seize power and control of a population, and now I've seen it. Covid has been a really amazing learning experience for me.

Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by vineyardmike on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @01:44AM (#33340229)
> People were rabidly cheering it on too. Police going around shutting playgrounds and arresting parents for playing outdoors with their children

Citation? This seems like an anti-mandate talking point more than a reality.

> I used to wonder how on earth nazis and communists and the like were able to seize power and control of a population, and now I've seen it.

January 6th?

Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by throwawaylinux on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @02:26AM (#33340437)
> Citation? This seems like an anti-mandate talking point more than a reality.

This isn't in good faith so it's clearly not going to change your opinion about anything. It's trivial to google and it was not an uncommon story in the news over the past few years. Literally the top google result of my first trivial search:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-arrested-park-throw...

> January 6th?

Also a bad faith non-sequitur.

If you have any actual coherent and rational questions or comments about what I wrote, I am more than happy to talk about it. Sadly you don't appear to be intellectually equipped to cope with pondering these issues though.

Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by spaetzleesser on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @01:49AM (#33340258)
“I used to wonder how on earth nazis and communists and the like were able to seize power and control of a population, and now I've seen it”

That’s how the US has worked for a long time. See the war on drugs and mass incarceration, laws against black people and extreme political polarization. There was always a group of “others” that people wanted to get punished.

I bet if Trump had been a little smarter he would have got away with a lot more while people cheering him on. But it seems a lot of political institutions are eroding so maybe the next strongman will be able to go way further.

Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by throwawaylinux on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @02:37AM (#33340494)
Yes that seems to be how it goes. Drum up irrational fear, lay the blame at the others, create hatred against them, then it becomes almost a self-sustaining mass psychosis. Intellectually I understood that's basically how it works, I guess I just didn't want to believe it.

People didn't care that vaccines didn't stop the virus spreading, they didn't care that insignificant transmission occurred due to individuals or small family groups enjoying the outdoors, they didn't care that some people were as irrationally scared of the vaccines as they were of covid. It wasn't about any kind of measured response designed for the real greater good. They wanted to see those hated others suffer and be punished for their heresy and audacity.

Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by hotpotamus on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @05:49AM (#33341584)
Is fear of dying irrational? I mean, it's going to happen to us all anyway, so does it matter if it's via airborne virus or whatever it is that conservatives fear is going to kill them?
Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by throwawaylinux on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:23AM (#33342146)
Fear of dying of covid because someone is taking their child to play in a park certainly is.
Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by hotpotamus on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:47AM (#33342297)
And was the contagiousness of covid perfectly understood as soon as it was discovered?
Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by prottog on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:44AM (#33343595)
Certainly by the time vaccine mandates came around, we had a pretty good idea of the contagiousness and lethality of the disease.
Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by hotpotamus on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @10:05AM (#33343892)
At that point, they had also taken the caution tape off the playground by me. I'm unaware who mandated that. As far as I can tell, many aspects of the disease and vaccines are still quite controversial, though it seems to me that vaccines are helpful.
Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by tinus_hn on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @03:51AM (#33340954)
> fun.

Its an amazingly corrupting kind of power, the ability to dictate the way others can have fun.

Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by scatters on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @05:35AM (#33341499)
You've got cause and effect backwards. Societies have to overreact to pandemics, because those that didn't got wiped out - eventually. Enforcement of quarantine and similar measures through extreme social norms is a necessary adaptation to the threat of plague; civilization wouldn't be able to exist without it.
Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by throwawaylinux on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:31AM (#33342190)
No I don't think I do have it backward.
Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by scatters on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @12:24PM (#33345989)
What was the point of writing that?
Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by throwawaylinux on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @08:27PM (#33351462)
It was commensurate with your reply. What exactly is the cause and what is the effect that you think I have backwards?
Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by scatters on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:23AM (#33355974)
You think that the authorities are creating an internal enemy to sow division. I am saying that the visceral reaction to plague is an instinctive human universal, not something that has to be cultivated.
Re:NY Supreme Court reinstates all fired unvaccinated employ... by throwawaylinux on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:07PM (#33365246)
> You think that the authorities are creating an internal enemy to sow division.

They do and have done so many times throughout history.

> I am saying that the visceral reaction to plague is an instinctive human universal, not something that has to be cultivated.

Fear is an instinctive response to many things, and that can be and is manipulated.