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Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by whalesalad on Monday October 24, 2022 @09:12PM (#33324914)
If you genuinely think you have a better way to do it, propose it. Don't sit back with the terrible attitude of "my company does it this way which sucks" - why not try to make things better?

There are two possibilities - a) you are right, you know something your company doesn't, and by proposing your new plan in a constructive manner you might make life better for everyone b) you are wrong, you don't fully comprehend the surface area of the software you are working on, and your suggestion is short sighted and doesn't account for all of the requirements.

Either way it is helpful to put it out there - so long as you do it from the right place, with the right intention. Either you'll humble yourself, or you will eliminate an unnecessary dependency and make life easier for your team.

Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by grosswait on Monday October 24, 2022 @10:39PM (#33325521)
They lead by saying how much they liked asdf vs docker. Ergo: proposed solution is asdf no?
Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by counttheforks on Monday October 24, 2022 @10:52PM (#33325599)
Then why does their company still use docker for that? Did they fail to convince anyone else? Did they disagree? Did they not even bother bringing up their frustrations? People love to complain, but rarely try to contribute to actually make things better.
Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by viraptor on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:01PM (#33325662)
The tool doesn't have to be just better. It needs to be so much better that it's worth: changing defaults / what people use now, changing documentation, verifying it works for all projects, ensuring that nobody has use cases that asdf doesn't address, and actually spending time with the decision maker to present your idea. For a larger company that may mean days of work.
Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by bipson on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:37AM (#33326300)
Days?

In the "big 'ol" companies I worked at, something like that takes months! If even possible...

Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by waboremo on Monday October 24, 2022 @10:59PM (#33325641)
Ironic, it would have been far more helpful to just ask OP "what are the reasons your company still uses Docker?" instead of mindlessly complaining.
Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by anonyme-honteux on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:03AM (#33326064)
Counter argument: your version is fine and may have helped to solve one particular issue in one particular company.

But countless developers in countless companies have each their own set of frustrations where they sense that something could be improved but don't know what to do with the frustration.

Frustrations are a useful symptom but learned helplessness is a terrible thing that can lead to anything from being annoyed to leaving your job to depression.

I would argue that the response was in fact a very valuable lesson.

Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by searealist on Monday October 24, 2022 @10:49PM (#33325583)
Huh? The whole comment is comparing asdf to docker and saying asdf is better.
Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by Scarblac on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @01:55AM (#33326752)
He's talking about doing something about it in his job, instead of complaining about it on HN.
Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by firecall on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:42AM (#33326327)
That right there is text-book Ad Hominem fallacy!

It is totally valid to point out failures in something without knowing how to put them right, or being in a position to do so.

Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by jfabre on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @07:50AM (#33329272)
Exactly, let's first acknowledge there is a problem, then we can find a solution.

Complaining for complaining is not helpful, but don't dismiss problems because no one can think of a better solution at the same time.

Re:Asdf – the language tool version manager by verdverm on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @08:24AM (#33329545)
Sometimes the problem is more that the grass looks greener on the other side. When you realize there are a bunch of day 2 problems for the "better" solution you didn't uncover beforehand, many will enter sunk cost territory