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Re:Why are there so few dead bugs on my windshield these days? by jgraham on Monday October 24, 2022 @07:07AM (#33315145)
It's good to see a comment that recognises that this "bug splatter on the windshield" data is mostly just an easily observed hook to connect the measured declines to people's everyday life experiences.

The topic seems to come up here ever few months, and there's always a significant percentage of the discussion devoted to aerodynamic effects, or changes in insect distribution specific to roadside habitats. Those converstations often feel like "middlebrow dismissal": people who think the fact they can come up with a plausible explaination alternate explaination for the data given a few seconds thought means it's likely that the studies are totally flawed and can be ignored.

Meanwhile if you dig in to the actual evidence, the studies based on vehicle data show a small negative correlation between vehicle age and number of impacted flying insects (i.e. older cars have slightly fewer splats, not more). More importantly, the general trends of declining biomass of (especially, but not only) flying insects reproduce over a wide range of methodologies and habitats. For skeptical readers, there are some links to studies in a previous comment I made on a previous thread on this same general topic [1].

Having said that, I think you've missed one of the big factors that's likely to contribute to the decline: the widespread use of insecticides (especially) and herbicides in industrial agriculture. Studies on bees show that even insects exposed to something much lower than the LD50 of certain insecticides experience behavioural changes that dramatically decrease their survival rates. And because "pest" insects typicaly have short lifecycles and rapid reproduction rates, they're often best placed to evolve tolerances for the insecticides, so there's pressure on farmers to use more and more to get the same effect.

For anyone who's interested in an introduction to this topic aimed at the general public (like me!), but written by a Professor of Entomology, I can recommend Slient Earth [2].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31278206 [2] https://bookshop.org/p/books/silent-earth-averting-the-insec...

Re:Why are there so few dead bugs on my windshield these days? by fleddr on Monday October 24, 2022 @09:28AM (#33316338)
I happen to study/photograph insects as an amateur and can casually confirm the collateral damage pesticides have on insect life.

A common manifestation of it is to find lethargic insects. Bodily fully intact and seeming healthy, yet barely able to move. Insects normally skittish that you can simply pick up. I'm not talking about insects at the end of their life cycle or them being very cold. There's something very wrong with these individuals, I believe studies suggest their brains are messed up from the pesticides.

Re:Why are there so few dead bugs on my windshield these days? by thereddaikon on Monday October 24, 2022 @09:52AM (#33316604)
insecticides kill insects?

Big if true. Sounds like it working as designed.

Re:Why are there so few dead bugs on my windshield these days? by fleddr on Monday October 24, 2022 @10:04AM (#33316760)
The point of an insecticide is to kill the specific insect being a pest to the crop. Not to kill every single insect altogether.

Maybe people like you should experience what a world without insects would look like. I can save you the time. There will be no world.

Re:Why are there so few dead bugs on my windshield these days? by indymike on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:45AM (#33318222)
> The point of an insecticide is to kill the specific insect being a pest to the crop.

Even this can cause a collapse by removing a food source from other predators.

> I can save you the time. There will be no world.

This is true. Insects are food for a huge number of predators, and insect larvae are a really important component of having soil capable of growing plants.

Re:Why are there so few dead bugs on my windshield these days? by fleddr on Monday October 24, 2022 @03:33PM (#33321368)
Not to mention their role in pollination. 80% of plants are pollinated by animals, mostly insects. This includes 35% of food plants.
Re:Why are there so few dead bugs on my windshield these days? by _jal on Monday October 24, 2022 @10:52AM (#33317444)
After low-effort attempts to dismiss risks fail, mockery comes next.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you..."

Re:Why are there so few dead bugs on my windshield these days? by shkkmo on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:04AM (#33317637)
Insecticides are designed to wipe out global populations of insects rather than just controlling pest insects inside a limited area? If you have actual evidence for this, it seem like it would form the basis of significant lawsuits against pesticide companies because we would have evidence of intent to cause significant ecological damage.
Re:Why are there so few dead bugs on my windshield these days? by TEP_Kim_Il_Sung on Monday October 24, 2022 @10:18AM (#33316938)
Re:Why are there so few dead bugs on my windshield these days? by Cryptonic on Monday October 24, 2022 @12:54PM (#33319187)
I think it might be the same disinformation scheme as the climate science "The individual must/can fix it" - No policy must force industries to find other ways to make a profit with agriculture. There are natural ways to deal with insects and unwanted plants.