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Re:Hyundai suspending two US suppliers because of child labor by meheleventyone on Saturday October 22, 2022 @04:20PM (#33301828)
> Society has no choice but to impose a very unproductive form of punishment

No choice? That’s pretty laughably untrue and flies in the face of all the evidence about incarceration being totally rubbish as a punishment.

Re:Hyundai suspending two US suppliers because of child labor by dchftcs on Saturday October 22, 2022 @04:25PM (#33301881)
Incarceration is not necessarily effective but what alternative can you propose, as a scalable form of punishment? How do you define "totally rubbish"?
Re:Hyundai suspending two US suppliers because of child labor by socialismisok on Saturday October 22, 2022 @08:16PM (#33303388)
We could start by not prosecuting done crimes. Why do you go to jail for possessing marijuana, prostitution, crossed a border without permission, or because you are awaiting trial? (Which is why most people are in jail.)

We start by taking these hundreds of thousands of people who really shouldn't be in jail or prison at all and ask, "what programs would help them from not doing this again? What's the root cause we can address?" And we start implementing social programs that will help support, educate, and reform folks.

Some combination of:

1) Remove a lot of drug crimes from the books and clear convictions. Many of these shouldn't be punishable at all.

2) invest in housing, food, and mental health support to catch folks before they turn to low level theft. Give them to people convicted as well. If you change their situations, many will never need to commit crimes again.

3) Levy fines, garnish wages while providing support. Restrict movement if needed by requiring folks stay in contact with a parole officer or mental health support professional.

Etc

Most "criminals" are folks who are in positions where we left them few choices as a society.

Re:Hyundai suspending two US suppliers because of child labor by dchftcs on Sunday October 23, 2022 @02:35AM (#33305042)
Most of what you're saying is that we should select prisoners better and avoid creating more criminals as a society. The principle I agree. However this part is completely non-sequitur, as the point of contention is whether there's something better than prison to deal with after-the-fact criminals. The only alternative you give is a very soft form of restricting movement, which is devoid of reality for many forms of crime from petty theft and embezzlement to rape and murder.
Re:Hyundai suspending two US suppliers because of child labor by rhinoceraptor on Saturday October 22, 2022 @08:42PM (#33303497)
The goal isn't punishment, it's rehabilitation.