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Re:People Staring at Computers by indymike on Friday October 21, 2022 @11:39AM (#33289176)
> The police forces were created to protect property and 'the system'

If that is the case, why is civil asset forfeiture a thing? It seems to undermine property rights and is a glaring failure in the system.

Re:People Staring at Computers by Finnucane on Friday October 21, 2022 @12:28PM (#33289843)
Not your property, the aristocracy's property. Cops don't work for peasants.
Re:People Staring at Computers by fortuna86 on Friday October 21, 2022 @12:29PM (#33289864)
The "aristocracy" has their property seized all the time, for unpaid taxes and a litany of other crimes.
Re:People Staring at Computers by HyperSane on Friday October 21, 2022 @12:35PM (#33289957)
Those aren't the true aristocracy.
Re:People Staring at Computers by cortesoft on Friday October 21, 2022 @01:05PM (#33290405)
Nor true Scotsman, apparently.
Re:People Staring at Computers by CPLX on Friday October 21, 2022 @01:42PM (#33290832)
I mean the definition of aristocracy is basically the people who get to make the rules. It’s the core point.
Re:People Staring at Computers by iamdamian on Friday October 21, 2022 @02:24PM (#33291354)
Without making a falsifiable claim about who this “aristocracy” is whose assets are the only assets protected by the police, it’s hard to test your statement or see how it provides value.
Re:People Staring at Computers by CPLX on Friday October 21, 2022 @05:01PM (#33292999)
They’re the ones the police don’t fuck with.

Do you live in the US? It’s pretty trivial to figure out who is and isn’t allowed to drive around with large sums of money, or carry a loaded weapon, as an actual practical matter.

A good way of thinking about this is to understand that there’s an in-group that the law protects but does not bind. And an out-group that the law binds but does not protect.

It’s a dark vision of the world but there are many in the in-group who seek to preserve it.

Re:People Staring at Computers by uoaei on Friday October 21, 2022 @03:14PM (#33291950)
"No true Scotsman is not Scottish" seems true, definitionally. Same applies for aristocracy: they are the ones who are served by special interests, by definition.
Re:People Staring at Computers by indymike on Saturday October 22, 2022 @08:13PM (#33303375)
> Same applies for aristocracy: they are the ones who are served by special interests, by definition

I'm not sure I follow. Homeless military veterans are served by extremely well funded special interests, but are not aristocrats.

Re:People Staring at Computers by uoaei on Sunday October 23, 2022 @01:54AM (#33304904)
Clearly they are not being served. That is the difference.
Re:People Staring at Computers by muaytimbo on Friday October 21, 2022 @01:37PM (#33290782)
replace "Aristocracy" with "political class"
Re:People Staring at Computers by indymike on Saturday October 22, 2022 @12:14PM (#33299542)
In the US, they don't work for aristocrats, ether. Sometimes, it's really unclear who the boss is, but it is clear that they get paid by the public.
Re:People Staring at Computers by yetihehe on Friday October 21, 2022 @11:43AM (#33289233)
No policing system is perfect, in any complicated enough system there will always be rules that undermine that system slightly. It's like asking "why is cancer a thing, it undermines living organisms".