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Re:Remote work may have fueled a baby boom among U.S. women by yamtaddle on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @03:21PM (#33266696)
> Yes, in the US there are tax credits, SNAP, etc. None of these even come close to replacing the life income changes.

Our three kids are gonna cost us at least half a million dollars by the time they're all 18, between lost income, daycare costs, higher housing costs (not just a bigger house to maintain a similar comfort level, but also one in a much more expensive area than we might otherwise live in, since we have to care about school quality—an uncomfortably small house in a good school district still costs more than a huge house in a merely so-so district, let alone an actually-bad district, in our city), healthcare costs, transportation costs, plus all the smaller stuff like clothes, food, et c. And e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g optional is also far more expensive, like vacations.

And that's if we don't chip in for their post-secondary education or, like, give them a few grand to get their feet under them when they leave. Or buy them cars or any of that (we're not there yet, thank god). It could easily end up being closer to a million than a half-million, without even going nuts.

The tax credits don't even come close to covering it. Worse, because many of those expenses are front-loaded and so hit in our relatively-young years, the opportunity cost of that money ends up being enormous. The shadow cast on our future savings is way bigger than what we spend on them directly. We'd be retiring by 50, 55 at the latest if not for having kids, and also be able to spend more freely. As it is IDK if we're gonna be able to retire until we just can't work anymore.

Kids are basically financial suicide unless you're crazy-rich. Like they're great and all but god damn do I understand why people choose not to have them, even if they like the idea of having kids.

Re:Remote work may have fueled a baby boom among U.S. women by klipt on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @04:23PM (#33267492)
> Kids are basically financial suicide unless you're crazy-rich.

Or if you're very poor, then the more kids you have, the more you receive in benefits. Many poor people manage to have more kids than middle class people.

The middle class parent thinks "if I have another kid how will I pay for their college?" The poor parent just sends their kids to community college or if they're amazingly brilliant and get into Harvard, then they'll get a free full ride because they're poor.

Re:Remote work may have fueled a baby boom among U.S. women by yamtaddle on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @04:45PM (#33267717)
Well, right. Some of that spending is technically not necessary (we could choose to live in a worse school district, of course—clearly many people do, or there wouldn't be schools there) but you're also probably gonna feel like (and, maybe, be) a terrible person if you don't spend more to get your kids into better schools if you can. Like, obviously couples whose income doesn't amount to at least a million dollars over 18 years aren't spending half a million on raising their kids, but many of them nevertheless do have kids.

But, the result of all this psychology and zero-sum competition (as housing/schools are) is that kids tend to eat all available income up to a point—and, indeed, if you cross a certain income threshold and can afford top-tier private school, there's another entire tier of potential and hard-to-convince-yourself-not-to-do spending above that.

Re:Remote work may have fueled a baby boom among U.S. women by sangnoir on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @07:15PM (#33269019)
Maybe more middle class parents should be sending kids to community college?
Re:Remote work may have fueled a baby boom among U.S. women by hirvi74 on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @08:29PM (#33269501)
A few years back, my state made CC free for all people with high school educations excluding those with degrees and perhaps other minor variables as well.

https://www.tbr.edu/initiatives/tn-promise

Re:Remote work may have fueled a baby boom among U.S. women by tsol on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @08:24PM (#33269468)
The higher the financial class, the more resources in general are poured in to molding each child. It certainly helps to give them a better chance on average than their peers
Re:Remote work may have fueled a baby boom among U.S. women by Breza on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @09:36AM (#33330277)
Benefits aren't as high as you think they are. If you have a low wage job, losing the ability to jump at every opportunity to pick up a shift can be a huge hit to your bottom line. I have a white collar job. I know I can play with my daughter tonight without losing money.