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Re:Lab-made Covid virus draws government scrutiny by bayesian_horse on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:57AM (#33248234)
The problem with the lab hypothesis is not that it is extremely unlikely or "forbidden".

The problem is that any suggestion that remotely sounds like it is possible attracts and inflames a large community of nutjobs. Just like it is hard to discuss problems around the Israeli government's actions without attracting anti-semites.

Re:Lab-made Covid virus draws government scrutiny by wara23arish on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:27AM (#33248802)
The damage done from the unchecked israeli government is objectively way worse than being called an anti-semite unfoundedly. Some western journalists like Robert Fisk lives by those values.

I understand that it’s complicated to the uninvolved, but coming from the receiving side of israeli missiles, Ill wear the anti-semite badge proudly if it comes to it.

People who have no real skin in the game will understandably avoid being called anti-semite even if it’s against their moral compass. I imagine i’d be one of them too if I were born in a different location.

So in regards to the virus, I just wish people would stop caring about fear of association with nutjobs. I believe this causes a type of self-censorship worse than any other tech platform can do.

Re:Lab-made Covid virus draws government scrutiny by bayesian_horse on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:08PM (#33250636)
You don't understand my point. It's not about equating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism. The point is, once you do criticize Israel, you'll attract actual nut jobs who actually hate Jews. And criticizing Israel without acknowledging the other side's culpability can quickly cross over into actual anti-semitism.
Re:Lab-made Covid virus draws government scrutiny by wara23arish on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:10PM (#33257112)
I understood it the other way my bad.

I guess, Im still confused why should I worry about nut jobs who hate jews? How is it my responsibility?

Re:Lab-made Covid virus draws government scrutiny by Rury on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:14AM (#33257573)
Perhaps because they live and impact the society you live in, from partaking in government, to voting, amongst other things which may potentially have an impact on your life (such as preventing you from having a sane discussion). I shouldn't even have to mention the Nazis of the 1930s as an extreme example to drive the point home on how anti-semite nut jobs could result in bad things.
Re:Lab-made Covid virus draws government scrutiny by wara23arish on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:43AM (#33257771)
This is in context to criticizing the israeli government. Don’t act obtuse.

You’re literally proving my point.

Re:Lab-made Covid virus draws government scrutiny by Rury on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:54AM (#33257856)
There's nothing obtuse here. You'd had asked:

>why should I worry about nut jobs who hate jews?

And I gave you several plausible reasons which may be a cause for concern depending on what it is you will.

Re:Lab-made Covid virus draws government scrutiny by bayesian_horse on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @08:55AM (#33261435)
I'm not talking about you. You might think there are worse problems in your life or society than conspiracy theories about Jews, hatred against Jews, attacks on Jews or countries trying to end Israel.

I'd just rather not have discussions with people who feel that way. If I encounter anti-semitism I stand up to it, but I'd rather not attract them like moths to a flame...

Re:Lab-made Covid virus draws government scrutiny by defen on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:02AM (#33248303)
That suggests an easy strategy for anyone who wants to shut down lab-leak discussion: just post maximally-unhinged support for it. See also "cognitive infiltration".
Re:Lab-made Covid virus draws government scrutiny by bayesian_horse on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:09AM (#33248424)
You need a critical mass of nutters to achieve any traction. I don't know of any case where someone successfully did that in reality.