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Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by felixfbecker on Monday October 17, 2022 @04:28PM (#33239113)
A nuclear plant that doesn't explode, that is. Pretty sure Tschernobyl released more radiation than a coal plant over its lifetime. Probably more than all coal plants in Germany in their lifetime combined.
Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by thescriptkiddie on Monday October 17, 2022 @04:34PM (#33239180)
I was going to reply that that has only happened literally twice ever, but decided to fact check that first. Apparently small steam and hydrogen explosions happened a whole lot at nuclear reactors in the 1950s and 60s.
Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by naasking on Monday October 17, 2022 @04:46PM (#33239309)
And new reactor designs are meltdown proof, so what's the problem exactly?
Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by andirk on Monday October 17, 2022 @04:53PM (#33239379)
Can you cite your claim? Meltdown-proof? So a huge earthquake and tsunami won't cause nuclear waste leaks in the slightest? Nothing will?
Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by kzrdude on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:40PM (#33239867)
Meltdown is a specific type of catastrophe (overheat and fuel rods literally melting). So being proof says nothing about other kinds of leaks.
Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by naasking on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:18PM (#33239634)
I'll give an example of molten salt reactors [1]; other designs have different but comparable safety properties. The nuclear fuel is suspended in a molten salt which is separate. If the reactor is breached, you'll have what's effectively a contained chemical spill that has a very limited spread. Current water reactors trigger a steam explosion that spews out radiation into the atmosphere, which is why it's so catastrophic.

If you get a runaway reaction, it has a fail-safe described in the article that drains the reactor into containment vessels underground.

[1] https://www.technologyreview.com/2015/09/04/166330/meltdown-...

Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by ohgodplsno on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:23PM (#33239677)
Gen III+ reactors are pretty fucking close to meltdown proof.

Any reactor in use today will have a negative void coefficient. Which means, if you don't put power into it, the reaction naturally stops. Then you've got control rods and neutron moderators that will fall back upon the core if there's no power. Then Gen3+ includes a core catcher in which, should it breach its reactor, it just falls in there and cools down.

Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by cedilla on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:40PM (#33239874)
All five large reactor disasters occurred with reactors that also had fail-safes that rendered them theoretically safe. In the case of Three-Mile-Island, unlucky technicians had to work very hard against the reactor's system to sustain the failure.
Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by MichaelCollins on Monday October 17, 2022 @10:23PM (#33242244)
TMI is a success story. Despite everything that went wrong, the impact to the surrounding population was virtually nil.
Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by jhrmnn on Monday October 17, 2022 @04:54PM (#33239395)
I think the fear of black swans, that is, unknown risks. I think most people don’t understand that the experts can really rule out something like a meltdown in modern reactors
Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by naniwaduni on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:54PM (#33240029)
Pretty sure the nuclear still comes ahead after averaging those out with all the nuclear plants that have gotten quietly decommissioned with no explosions, though?
Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by raxxorraxor on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:26AM (#33245687)
There aren't many nuclear plants that are fully decommissioned. Perhaps around 10 and that still includes management of the waste.
Re:Germany extends lifetime of all 3 remaining nuclear plants by fartsucker69 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:29AM (#33245712)
if you really weigh against all coal plants in germany, the numbers are not far off

and radioactive material is like a fraction of the problem with coal. they have much worse health impact in other areas. they're linked (directly or indirectly) to 10000s of thousands of deaths a year.