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Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by jleyank on Monday October 17, 2022 @02:08PM (#33237482)
Cashless, lessee:

- barter economy when the power or network or website goes down.

- all transactions tracked.

- can have your money disabled by a 3rd party.

- transaction fees, particularly when traveling internationally.

- magnetic fields suck. Plastic gets brittle.

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by LinuxBender on Monday October 17, 2022 @03:05PM (#33238116)
Adding to this:

- As more banks participate in ESG and experiment with what they can get away with, people may lose access to their funds if they hold the wrong beliefs or lack good social credit score. This is already in place in China and all the big banks are looking at dipping their toes into this game.

PayPal already experimented with this and back-peddled when their stock dipped as a result. A few dozen big banks in the US are now participating in ESG. Only time will tell what they dare to implement.

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by version_five on Monday October 17, 2022 @03:34PM (#33238465)
This is bang-on. We're seeing daily examples of companies forcing their "values" on users, and it's most acute in big monopolies. It's fine to debate whether people should be kicked off twitter (they can just build their own lol), but depriving people of money in retaliation is a whole other level, only seen in places like Canada
Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by Asraelite on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:27PM (#33239725)
> only seen in places like Canada

Did you mean China, or is there something that happened in Canada that I'm not aware of?

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by TeeMassive on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:39PM (#33239859)
They froze the bank accounts of some Freedom Convoy donors.

The worse part of it is that some are denying that it happened, even though the Deputy Prime Minister made an official announcement about it.

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by RichardCNormos on Monday October 17, 2022 @03:23PM (#33238335)
You only have to look as far as Canada to see this in action. Canada leveraged banks for political revenge this year: https://yesithappened.substack.com/p/canada-froze-bank-accou...
Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by Ruthalas on Monday October 17, 2022 @04:07PM (#33238880)
What is 'ESG' in this context?
Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by LinuxBender on Monday October 17, 2022 @04:14PM (#33238951)
ESG's are environmental, social, and governance metrics. It is a method of altering the behavior of businesses and individuals through incentives or in some cases disincentives. Rather than altering group and individual behavior through legislation, banks and financial institutions can alter the behavior of businesses and people using a social credit score.

The legislators of my state and several other states are actively fighting banks that exhibit this behavior. None of the small banks I interact with will ever participate in that concept.

[1] - https://www.heartland.org/publications-resources/publication...

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by scarface74 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:31AM (#33243313)
So in other words, conservative states are involved in the “cancel culture” and it’s costing the states taxpayers of those same governments millions

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/01/1120457153/texas-ban-on-firms...

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by klyrs on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:11PM (#33239562)
"Discriminating" against the oil industry
Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by peyton on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:28PM (#33239741)
Strangely the oil industry is doing great. And their ESG metrics look great, too.
Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by MichaelCollins on Monday October 17, 2022 @10:28PM (#33242283)
They love it. To oil companies, ESG offers a way to offset their environmental crimes using cheap social activism.
Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by ravel-bar-foo on Monday October 17, 2022 @10:53PM (#33242433)
The core idea is that pension funds should only invest in companies which are socially responsible. In order to achieve this, pension funds/large investors assign (or outsource the assignment of) scores to each companies based on each company's "Environmental, Social, and Governance" practices. As these have become more and more standard, large corporations have started changing their policies to improve their ESG scores. Pushing companies to be more responsible for externalities sounds good and reasonable, but the implementation gives a lot of power to the people who define and calculate ESG scores, and like all metrics, ESG scores are flawed and gameable. (A common complaint is that companies can get away with dispicable behavior by gaming the scores in other categories.)

These scores are currently a big deal on the right, since they tend to be based on socially liberal values and tend to push companies into left-leaning policies, but the left should be just as concerned about the trend given that the trend is to reduce the diversity of policies among the very large companies which (seek to) control our lives.

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by TEP_Kim_Il_Sung on Monday October 17, 2022 @03:51PM (#33238678)
Everything that was bad about Corporate Scrip, is bad about cashless.
Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by anonporridge on Monday October 17, 2022 @03:54PM (#33238729)
Cash is just nation state scrip.

And the nation state is just the corporation with the local monopoly on violence.

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by MikusR on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:01PM (#33239461)
Money is made from plastic
Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by DerekL on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:20PM (#33239652)
> - magnetic fields suck. Plastic gets brittle.

The chips in credit cards aren't damaged by magnetic fields. Mag stripes will eventually be discontinued. (For instance, cards from Mastercard won't have mag stripes after 2033.)

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by pb7 on Monday October 17, 2022 @06:12PM (#33240183)
Cash can get lost, stolen, or damaged. It is especially a risk when you’re bringing a bunch of cash for an international trip.

> transaction fees, particularly when traveling internationally

Many banks offer no international transaction fee cards. Charles Schwab Checking is one such example.

> magnetic fields suck. Plastic gets brittle

Cash is filthy disgusting and deteriorates. Also risk of receiving counterfeit bills.

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by mdp2021 on Monday October 17, 2022 @06:52PM (#33240560)
Details.

"Cash-less" society means loss of anonymity.

The matter is not with options, but with lack of options.

Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by imtringued on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:18AM (#33246662)
I know someone who lost a lot of money because he kept it in cash.
Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by influxmoment on Monday October 17, 2022 @06:15PM (#33240209)
Happen to HK protesters. Antigovt democracy protests can be tracked participating in protests through credit card use
Re:Does cashless society discriminate against the poor and e... by scarface74 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:28AM (#33243297)
Cash based: robberies