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Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by jimmyjazz14 on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:39AM (#33235084)
Its easier to be a victim than a hero even in peoples minds.
Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by PartiallyTyped on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:49AM (#33235226)
Sometimes you get tired of everything being a constant fight from the moment you were born.

Sometimes you are tired of grinding endlessly with little if anything to show for it, all because we threw a bad dice at birth.

Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by s1artibartfast on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:56AM (#33235372)
It absolutely is tiring! Still there is nothing virtuous or noble about suffering itself.
Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by lo_zamoyski on Monday October 17, 2022 @01:26PM (#33236854)
As Marcus Aurelius once wrote, all men suffer, but not all men pity themselves. Somewhat tangentially: Thomas Aquinas once wrote that if we experience a loss, we may allow ourselves to grieve for a while, and then stop. The danger of sadness is that we may indulge it indefinitely and sink into despair.

A person who wallows in such despair and self-pity would be well served by considering whether he is poisoned by envy, perhaps the envy of egalitarianism. To paraphrase Chesterton, at least the aristocrats of old had the satisfaction of feeling superior than others. The egalitarian man cuts down all those he fears are better than he is (typically by denying the qualities of others)!

The majority of our suffering, especially the spiritual and psychological variety, is our own doing. There are plenty of people born with all sorts of conditions who live happy lives because they've accepted the immutable and made the best of the cards they were dealt. If self-pity deserves anything, it is not compassion, but contempt.

Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by heavenlyblue on Monday October 17, 2022 @04:25PM (#33239076)
> The egalitarian man cuts down all those he fears are better than he is

Yeah or rather that man sees tbat often those who are better have counter-balanced that better by a marginal worse in other dimensions :)

Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by s1artibartfast on Monday October 17, 2022 @12:17PM (#33235715)
Having personally struggled with serious depression and feelings of victimhood, I actually disagree.

I can confidently say that it is a lot easier to go through life not feeling like a victim.

It takes extra work and introspection to change states, but it is far easier in the long run.

Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by MichaelCollins on Monday October 17, 2022 @01:00PM (#33236430)
> It takes extra work and introspection to change states,

If you can't achieve the activation energy needed to change, then staying stuck in that rut is the easiest thing you can do.

Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by s1artibartfast on Monday October 17, 2022 @01:50PM (#33237267)
If there is actually no choice, it is the easiest, hardest, and only thing you can do.

My personal experience that activation energy comes from knowledge. The process of finding it can be more unpleasant but not necessarily harder

to put it a different way, the decent to rock bottom is painful but easy. Inflection only occurs when and if someone discovers or internalizes something new.

Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by thrown_22 on Monday October 17, 2022 @01:09PM (#33236583)
The irony here being that you claim to be a victim to claim the high ground in the debate.

It's like trying to explain water to a fish.

Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by s1artibartfast on Monday October 17, 2022 @01:33PM (#33236979)
I don't claim moral moral highground based on my personal history.

I claim to be right based on the merits of my argument alone.

Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by thrown_22 on Monday October 17, 2022 @05:49PM (#33239976)
Which you claim based on personal history.
Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by s1artibartfast on Monday October 17, 2022 @07:02PM (#33240655)
My history informs my claim, but I'm not saying that my experience defacto overrides or invalidates any other claim, experiential or otherwise.

Moreover, I specifically don't identify as a victim.

Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by thrown_22 on Monday October 17, 2022 @10:58PM (#33242463)
The important thing is that you've figured out a way to be superior to both.
Re:New study suggests people with dark personalities weaponi... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:09AM (#33242858)
Both what?

Do you not believe that some people are more knowledgeable or can have insights on any topic.

Do you have a point you are trying to make?