Re:Kanye West is buying Parler
by joshstrange on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:29AM
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> Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech.
Agreed. Truth Social/Parlor as "Free speech" spaces is 100% laughable.
> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable.
AKA: Every totally-free-no-holds-barred-speech sites, there is a reason it's a stupid goal held by people either too naive or those using it as a dog whistle.
> Yet again, I like that Musk and Kanye kind of people claim that they want free speech because at least we can hold them responsible when they don't deliver it.
Yes, because we have such a good track record of holding liars accountable...
> This is in contrast with the pure fascist where they cannot be held responsible for anything because they don't claim virtue in first place.
I can't even with this line. We have plenty of fascists running around claiming mountains of virtue and lying through their teeth. Their base/audience continues to blindly follow them and holding any of them accountable (especially by their base) is a pipe dream.
> It's a bit like companies doing greenwashing, which can be exposed when they don't deliver on their claimed virtues versus companies who don't even claim such virtues and instead pretend that it doesn't matter.
Again, this just isn't happening at scale.
> Those who claim virtue are better even if they ultimately fail.
Agreed. Truth Social/Parlor as "Free speech" spaces is 100% laughable.
> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable.
AKA: Every totally-free-no-holds-barred-speech sites, there is a reason it's a stupid goal held by people either too naive or those using it as a dog whistle.
> Yet again, I like that Musk and Kanye kind of people claim that they want free speech because at least we can hold them responsible when they don't deliver it.
Yes, because we have such a good track record of holding liars accountable...
> This is in contrast with the pure fascist where they cannot be held responsible for anything because they don't claim virtue in first place.
I can't even with this line. We have plenty of fascists running around claiming mountains of virtue and lying through their teeth. Their base/audience continues to blindly follow them and holding any of them accountable (especially by their base) is a pipe dream.
> It's a bit like companies doing greenwashing, which can be exposed when they don't deliver on their claimed virtues versus companies who don't even claim such virtues and instead pretend that it doesn't matter.
Again, this just isn't happening at scale.
> Those who claim virtue are better even if they ultimately fail.
False.