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Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by josefresco on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:03AM (#33234475)
Same reaction, I'm totally lost.

"it displays information required by crew members to manage their rosters and work lives"

What does this mean? I read the entire article and still have no clue what a "roster" is, why a flight attendant would need to "manage" such a thing, and what data is being pulled to make this easier/better

"‘reserve’ flight attendants "

Also have no idea what a "reserve" flight attendant is...

Edit: Apparently there are some of you you think I actually need these words defined. I do not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by schwartzworld on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:17AM (#33234693)
> still have no clue what a "roster"

> ‘reserve’ flight attendants

These words aren't specific to flight attendants. They're just english words with standard definitions. You're reading this on a device with an internal dictionary as well as internet access.

Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by mellavora on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:19AM (#33234737)
When I run across words that I don't understand, I often find a dictionary gives me faster response than posting on HN.

But HN can be more entertaining.

Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by ClassyJacket on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:12AM (#33234588)
I didn't write the article, but I wasn't aware there were English speakers who didn't know the word roster either. It's a calendar of times employees have to work i.e. It tells you when your shifts are.

What do you call that?

Also a reserve is something you have spare in case the original planned one can't operate. So a reserve flight attendant would be someone who is on call in case someone else is sick, etcetera.

Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by pitaj on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:15AM (#33234637)
Usually we'd use the word "schedule" for that (American here). "Roster" is used mainly to mean a "list of people".
Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by parineum on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:20AM (#33234751)
That's a schedule.

A roster is a list of people and their roles. A schedule is a roster with chronological information.

Reserve is probably something people should understand but backup works as well.

Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by josefresco on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:32AM (#33234972)
Wow dude really?!? I don't need you to define the words - I need CONTEXT.
Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by carlmr on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:15AM (#33234657)
>I wasn't aware there were English speakers who didn't know the word roster either.

I know what it is, but maybe the people that don't use schedule or timetable?

Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by selimthegrim on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:24AM (#33234821)
Don't they say 'rota' in the UK?
Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by mathieuh on Monday October 17, 2022 @11:36AM (#33235033)
Yes, “rota” would be the commonest word for this idea. Although I did immediately understand “roster” in the article, so maybe that’s also in use. “Rota” is definitely what I would say though
Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by carlmr on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:42AM (#33243770)
Rota I don't know, but I'm not from the UK.
Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by pimlottc on Monday October 17, 2022 @12:05PM (#33235521)
Many flight attendants don't have a regular schedule. Instead, they can browse upcoming flight itineraries and choose ones they are interested in. For example, a sample itinerary might be Chicago to Cleveland to Boston to New York to Chicago over a 2 day period.

All of these features are available in the internal applications provided by the airlines, but they're not always that easy to use or flexible. Obviously, as a flight attendant, being able to get notified of new itineraries, book quickly, and perform complex searches is a big advantage to getting better flights, so there is a small but very motivated market for custom apps like these.

Of course, these apps aren't supported by the airlines, so they operate in a grey area and use techniques like credential passing and screen scraping to get access to sensitive internal data.

Re:American Airlines Trying to Stop Must-Have iPhone App for... by mattkrause on Monday October 17, 2022 @12:09PM (#33235575)
My second-hand impression is that aircrew scheduling is a bit different from most jobs.

The flight attendants are not assigned a fixed schedule, but instead “bid” on specific trips: depending on their preferences, some crew might want flights of a particular length or on a certain type of plane, to arrange layovers in a specific city (or none at all), or even to work with/avoid certain colleagues.

They also alternate between periods where their bids set the schedule (“line”) and where they are on reserve/standby to fill in on flights where someone is missing. This could be because of illness, but flight delays and working hour restrictions (via safety regulations) add a lot of complexity. Another added wrinkle is that most crew don’t get paid until the flight doors are closed, so they really do not want to spend a lot of unnecessary time at the airport.

Thus, it’s a lot worse than managing schedules at a coffee shop, and I can totally imagine how a specialized app could help.

More: https://www.cabincrewchitchat.com/flight-attendant-bidding/