Trying New Programming Languages Helped Me Grow as a Software Engineer

Re:Trying New Programming Languages Helped Me Grow as a Soft... by synthc on Sunday October 16, 2022 @01:41PM (#33225516)

Yes this is exactly what I meant. After years of coding in Haskell and Clojure, and then going back to Java I have absolutely no problems with

    int max(int x,int y) { 
      if (x>y) 
        return x;
      else 
        return y;
   }

I just looks completely fine to me, but colleagues would complain about it in reviews and I just don't understant the problem at all. The variant with the extra result variable looks just wierd to me, and I have seen much uglier code written by people desperately avoiding early/multiple returns.

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Re:Trying New Programming Languages Helped Me Grow as a Soft... by saltcured on Sunday October 16, 2022 @04:21PM (#33226867)

What do these languages do when you accidentally miss a branch in you decision tree? Is there any lexical or static analysis error, or does it cause a runtime error or implicit null return when you hit the actual missed condition? I think these differences in potential outcomes are what guide many of these cultural rules of thumb in different programming styles.

In imperative programming, a bunch of nested conditionals can easily have incomplete coverage of possible program states, and it can be easy to overlook problems if you have a mixture of side-effect branches and early returns. I think some people struggle with this more than others, and it can flummox them almost like goto-laden spaghetti code.

Of course, there are other areas where similar errors can occur in different languages, i.e. in exception-handling or pattern-matching constructs. There are many different coding styles which can make these control-flow structures easier or harder to debug. But, I think there can also be a lot of "cargo culting" where zombie rules of thumb continue beyond when they were really particularly helpful.

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Re:Trying New Programming Languages Helped Me Grow as a Soft... by BlargMcLarg on Sunday October 16, 2022 @05:02PM (#33227170)

And this is likely one of those zombie rules. It's a trivial case and anyone with a semblance of programming knowledge understands what happens. You don't even need the else statement in GP's case. Meanwhile, any non-trivial case is so context-dependent you can't blindly apply rules and claim to have the best result or even just a better result from what people would come up with naturally.

The fact everything is context-dependent is the basis of all these discussions to begin with. We severely lack evidence and most rules are hearsay taken as gospel.

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Re:Trying New Programming Languages Helped Me Grow as a Soft... by Izkata on Monday October 17, 2022 @01:27AM (#33230047)

Cargo-culting from C where you have explicit malloc() and free(). Best practice was to have only 1 return to ensure free() was always called on everything just before the return, so you wouldn't have a memory leak if one was missing from an early return.

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Re:Trying New Programming Languages Helped Me Grow as a Soft... by synthc on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:49AM (#33243835)

I was wondering where this 1 return practice originated from, but yeah, it makes sense in that context.

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