They’re not though.

As of today I can’t buy a production car with Cruise. You don’t get points for building something that’s theoretically superior but not an actual product. It’s the same story with companies like Apple that wipe the floor of wannabe hardware companies with theoretically better specs. Like Apple, Tesla actually ships.

Cruise is going the uber route for their service. The robo-cars are already available in some areas

Not to the public. Or at least it’s “invite only”.

And Tesla FSD is public and not invite only? And the company that has actual driverless cars that you can hire isn't "shipping", but the the car you aren't allowed to take your hands off the wheel is?

Hilarious.

I wasn’t comparing to nor defending Tesla’s self driving system. I was just clarifying that Cruise’s cars are not “available” to the public. I was surprised to learn this, so I thought other might have missed this fact as well.

Is it? Remarkably Tesla’s compute bill does not seems to be growing exponentially with the amount of data it is supposedly collecting.

Point is I would not take anything Elon says at face value. He’s a marketer who is constantly bending the truth.

Have you actually watched the presentations? They are not the NSA storing all data from all cars on a giant hard-drive.

They are deploy code to cars to search for potential interesting, take lots of sample, curate and create a test and training set from that data.

Also how do you know what the Tesla compute bill is? Given their investment in GPU clusters and their own development of Dojo their cost may well have grown exponentially.

> He’s a marketer who is constantly bending the truth.

He is also a CEO of two major companies that have a good track record of achieving interesting technology and growth. So just denigrating him to a 'marketer' says more about yourself.

What happens if you drop a Cruise car at a random place in North America it has never seen before?