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Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by danso on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @06:21PM (#3321600)
> "I don’t think conversations start with “I don’t smoke, want 3 children, and am Catholic”. But this is basically what online dating sites do: they put a ton of information in a person’s profile, and ask other users to evaluate this data. There are certainly busy people who can’t be bothered with speaking to people, and want a dating service to run algorithms and find them someone. Maybe these people have played the dating game, and have had enough. They actively want something unnatural, and don’t mind if the computer sifts out people who aren’t their carbon copy."

I don't necessarily disagree with most of what else you say in the blog post, but if this is seriously your conception of how people use dating sites, then you are doomed to fail.

Speaking from the experience of living with various roommates who have done e-dating with the popular services, none of them have ever approached them in this mechanical way. The data helps refine the search, but they're still looking for attractive people to chat with.

And that data part is important. If you're a 20-year-old looking to have fun, you're going to want to weed out anyone who is in an age demographic that wants to have a life-long relationship. And vice versa. So not having that data is a disadvantage that you have to make up for.

Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by fleitz on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @07:35PM (#3321862)
My friend wrote greasemonkey scripts for POF and OKCupid, all it does is repeatedly search for his "type", builds a list of users and then messages them just after they come online. Same thing if someone views his profile. There's a 15 minute delay for that one so he doesn't come off as creepy.

Yeah it's spammy, but surprisingly effective, I'm encouraging him to write an A/B testing module for it so he can test the effectiveness of different messages.

Contrary to what one might think he's just using this for LTRs.

Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by anonanonabc123 on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @08:44PM (#3322061)
Are these posted anywhere or could I send an email asking for these? :)
Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by Retric on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @06:36PM (#3321671)
The 6 most important metrics in online dating is gender, location, age, children, active site user, and attractiveness. After that many guys just start spamming accounts.
Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by achalkley on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @07:27PM (#3321840)
The only spam they can do is "Like" someone. Sending chat messages can only happen when someone likes you back.
Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by tomkarlo on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @08:55PM (#3322096)
Why not just "Like" every user of the opposite (or target) sex, then just decide if you are actually interested when you see a positive response from one? It seems like that would be the best strategy with this app, and it means you get to see who likes you without actually disclosing any useful information yourself.
Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by joshtimonen on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @09:18PM (#3322141)
If you're not fussy you can do that. You could widen your range to anywhere in the world and ages 18-99. But you may not be within the person you like's age range or geography criteria, so that strategy would only take you so far.
Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by joshtimonen on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @06:48PM (#3321717)
Thanks for your feedback. I've rewritten this bit to hopefully make the point better. I agree this is NOT what users actively do on these sites. But I think this is what the service is essentially doing under the hood in many cases.

I agree that there are people who prefer the time-saving methods used with many of the major online dating services, and they will certainly continue to use those, but we feel they may be missing out on people that they didn't expect.

Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by fleitz on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @07:24PM (#3321835)
Why not bring back messages but put a crowd sourced spam filter in?

Instead of matching profiles, match messages, people looking for long term populate one set of bayesian filters, and people looking for short term populate another set of bayesian filters. The spam cut and paste message go away pretty quickly.

The mechanism could be as simple as after a message is read they are prompted as to whether they liked the message or didn't like it, combine with a feature sorting messages by their bayes score?

Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by pinchyfingers on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @08:06PM (#3321955)
All of that data is also crucial if you want to sell advertising against your user base.
Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by achalkley on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @08:24PM (#3322009)
I don't think we have to deal with that. iAd and Admob provide the ads so we don't have to.
Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by pinchyfingers on Tuesday December 06, 2011 @11:12PM (#3322409)
Oh, I had assumed you were selling the app and not going to show ads.

Displaying your own ads might be something to think about - collecting user info over time and delivering highly targeted ads might be more profitable.

Re:Why We Think We Can Prevail in the Notoriously Crowded On... by achalkley on Wednesday December 07, 2011 @04:36AM (#3323150)
Maybe.

I have no idea on how targeted iAds or Admob are. I'd assume there would be some tracking of sorts.