> But this is basically due to Elons reckless tweeting. It’s quite different to faking the creation of an electric car like Trevor Milton.

Securities fraud is fraud.

What you said doesn't refute anything on both of them committing securities fraud, which still makes them both fraudsters. Elon Musk didn't file his intentions with the SEC about what he said and he knew it was a lie to investors.

> Elon may be guilty of being an idiot and not thinking before he tweets, but he pushed forward electric cars and rocketry more than any other person currently living I would say.

The is no amount of apologism to realize that he is a fraudster; that is even before mentioning the FSD Level 5 robo-taxi false promises.

There are clearly different levels of fraud. Completely faking a working car is obviously worse than tweets that break SEC rules.

The self-driving thing is worse than the tweets I would say, but nobody seems to care about it for some reason. Surely a class action lawsuit is due?

He is not a total hack like Milton but the promises for years that FSD is right around the corner are borderline fraudulent.

Reckless tweeting or not, the SEC considers it fraud, at least legally he is a fraudster.

Trevor Milton is definitely much more in the Elizabeth Holmes' school of fraud though.