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Re:Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial by skissane on Saturday October 15, 2022 @01:07AM (#33211939)
> to me it rings just as misguided as not taking pain medicine when you have a broken leg

This is a bad analogy in so many ways. Most pain medications are short-acting, so one knows pretty quickly whether they work. People prescribed antidepressants are told to wait weeks to see positive results, and a large percentage of them won’t actually see any-and even those who do see positive results, it is often unclear if the improvement is actually due to the medication, or due to something else instead (therapy, lifestyle changes, self-limiting disease course, etc).

If someone out there is taking antidepressants, and they feel it works for them-great. But people who decide against taking them (or to stop taking them) aren’t necessarily “misguided”, in some cases they are making a rational and informed decision.

Having tried a range of antidepressants over the years (SSRIs, MAOIs, SNRIs), I’ve reached the conclusion that for me, they are pointless-I’ve never got any benefit from any of them. Some people will swear that they’ve saved their life - I see no reason to argue with that, it could well be true - but I’m sure there are many other people out there just like me. It’s a game of chance, and deciding not to play (or to stop playing) can be a rational and informed decision (at least for some people in some circumstances.)

Re:Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial by luckylion on Saturday October 15, 2022 @04:35AM (#33212989)
To stop playing that game of chance can certainly be a rational and informed decision. If you've tried multiple drugs of multiple categories and none of them work, chances are good that the next one won't work either.

But not even trying? I don't think that's a rational and informed decision. Sure, it might take two weeks, and sure, there are side effects, but if it works, it'll greatly improve your condition. If your condition is serious, taking a pill every day and waiting for two weeks isn't a huge investment.

It's like betting at roulette, you don't have to pay to bet $10000, but you'll get the full win if you're lucky. And you have to wait two weeks after each bet to know whether you won.

Re:Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial by skissane on Saturday October 15, 2022 @09:34AM (#33214667)
> But not even trying? I don't think that's a rational and informed decision.

My GP told me that for mild to cases of mild to moderate depression, he’s hesitant about introducing antidepressants-be said they can worsen concentration at work, impairing performance, thereby introducing additional life stressors, leading to more depression not less. A person seeking antidepressants who was dissuaded from doing so by that advice is arguably making a much more informed choice than if he’d just given them what they wanted from the start.

Of course, there comes a degree of severity (drawing that line is sometimes a subjective judgement call) when he doesn’t have these qualms any more.

Although (this is my view, don’t know whether he agrees), if one’s situation is severe enough to warrant trying antidepressants, they might not be enough. While I’m no great fan of antipsychotics, if I was in a real crisis situation, I’d much rather something that delivers noticeable results right away, than something which might take 2-4 weeks to do nothing.

Re:Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial by luckylion on Saturday October 15, 2022 @10:46AM (#33215285)
I do agree with what you're saying about severity. For something like seasonal affection disorder or a moderate depression, you'll probably not want to reach for SSRIs etc as the first cause of action, much like a gastric bypass isn't the right tool for someone who is slightly overweight. But it is a good tool to have for severe cases, and the idea of "it's not real weightloss if you didn't achieve it through power of will alone" is damaging.
Re:Psychiatry Wars: a lawsuit that put psychoanalysis on trial by taskforcegemini on Saturday October 15, 2022 @06:26PM (#33219222)
how long were you on each? It takes a while for any changes to surface (several weeks to months). that's not the case for benzos, which have an immediate effect, but those should never be taken over a longer period.