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Re:Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal? by ryandrake on Friday October 14, 2022 @11:05PM (#33211327)
Not OP, but to me, software that requires installing multiple plugins and extensions on top of it and requires much configuration in order to be useable is basically "unfinished software". It's 2022. Software not just has to work out of the box (or out of the download), it has to be packaged with everything needed to actually use it. It has to come fully configured for the most common use cases, or be able to fully configure/adapt itself at runtime. The days of sitting there installing plugins and tweaking settings and looking up how to configure it to do Common Use Case Xyz should be long behind us.

For example browsers. Whenever there is a Must Have extension that basically everyone downloads and installs, we should not be saying "See! It's great that software has plugins and extensions!" We should be saying "The development team totally missed this."

Re:Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal? by ar_lan on Saturday October 15, 2022 @01:43AM (#33212083)
This is like saying a library is incomplete because it does one thing well, and if it’s not a full-fledged framework it’s useless.

I recommend learning about Unix and the associated philosophies - you sound like there’s a lot more growth in your future!

Re:Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal? by netmonk on Saturday October 15, 2022 @03:48AM (#33212719)
To be honest, VIM doesn't require plugin installation to be fully functionnal.

The main problem with VIM is that nobody reads the documentation, and jumps directly trying to configure vim to imitate what they experienced with other softwares.

Most VIM users never understand VIM philosophy and inner mechanism supporting it. They just try to bend VIM into another graphical code editor.

It's like the meme about "exiting vim". It is pointless. Once you understand VIM you never need to exit it. Just Ctrl-z or use neovim terminal if needed.

The best challenge i was given by VIM guru, when i was asking help installing dozen of plugin, was to read the vim doc (:help) and just use for 6 months a VIM pure vanilla, without any plugin and minimal vimrc. After more than 20 years using VIM daily, i just understood i never learn how to use VIM and were just an adept of CARGO-CULT, victim of mass spread anti-pattern.

Re:Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal? by ColonelPhantom on Monday October 17, 2022 @07:52PM (#33241164)
I guess you could shell out to check for errors (for example), but isn't it in general nicer to get error messages as you go? Or how about actually intelligent autocomplete? Stock vim simply cannot do those.

What are some examples of plugins people commonly use that you think are useless?

Re:Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal? by stackbutterflow on Saturday October 15, 2022 @04:13AM (#33212853)
What you describe is rather 1995. Bloated vendor piece of software that tries to do too much and comes with a vendor manual.
Re:Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal? by nikau on Saturday October 15, 2022 @06:06AM (#33213384)
Yeah spending some time to set up a tool you will probably use for the next 30+ years is outrageous.