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Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by OrangeMonkey on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:17PM (#33211003)
There exists a group of folks who claim nuclear isn't green and is going to 'kill the planet'.

The alternative to nuclear is to either use fuels with a massive carbon footprint, or introduce a level of energy suffering on the population that is beyond the pale.

You are exactly right - this is the only way.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by melagonster on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:31PM (#33211135)
I can't understand why people try to stop research of nuclear fusion, this is the only way we know can work across space.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by gadflyinyoureye on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:23PM (#33211064)
Aren’t many in that camp functionally anti-human? They believe that humanity is a cancer. Dying off from starvation and deprivation of the general public is probably ok with them as long as they, the enlightened few, are not in the mix.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by NoraCodes on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:38PM (#33211171)
I don't think that this is the general belief of most anti-nuclear activists, and certainly not most people who don't believe in nuclear as a solution. Many are concerned about waste disposal, accident potential, and proliferation. These are all valid concerns, even though their figures and arguments tend to be out of date.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by adastra22 on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:35PM (#33211156)
Yup.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by cycomanic on Saturday October 15, 2022 @02:23AM (#33212256)
Funnily the rhetoric of nuclear proponents is always exclusively aimed against renewables not fossil fuels.

They know if not for ideological/political reasons/influence no nuclear plants will be build because it is just too expensive. If I can build double (now, the difference is rapidly increasing) the capacity using wind or solar why should I build nuclear? People who propose to do otherwise are the ones who are insane.

Just look at wind power in Sweden they only really invested in wind in the last 3 years: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Sweden

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by DisjointedHunt on Saturday October 15, 2022 @03:18AM (#33212574)
This is false.

Build all the solar, wind whatever you want. Doing so while ignoring the low return on energy security alone is a fools errand.

I’ve sat through meetings where carbon credits have been touted as the greatest weapon to transition the world away from fossil fuels. Carbon credits.

I’ve heard very reliable stories from China about business entities solely set up to generate unbelievable volumes of carbon credits to take advantage of this accounting trick.

I think the opposition you see is to the counterproductive moves of the past two or three decades where enormous amounts of money have been thrown at present renewable strategies and the world is worse off from an energy perspective.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by PartiallyTyped on Saturday October 15, 2022 @03:20AM (#33212579)
Because you need to build 3x as much to have a safety net that the system will be operational and produce electricity with the same stability as a Nuclear Reactor, and that says nothing on the cost of storage.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by brabel on Saturday October 15, 2022 @03:32AM (#33212647)
When you think a large group proposing something is collectively insane, it usually means you simply don't understand their argument.

Surely, you know that wind power has had a lot of trouble expanding in Sweden due to huge opposition from every community against building wind turbines on their land. Everyone likes the idea of wind power until they try to build a huge turbine on their backyard.

Sun power, in Sweden, in winter, is clearly not going to cut it... even in the southern areas that still get a little bit of sun in winter, you don't get nearly enough power.

Hydropower is great and Sweden produces lots of it, but again, highly unlikely it can build new damns with the current regulations.

The only options left seem to be coal and nuclear. I hope you don't propose to just use coal.

Nuclear power, while expensive to build, is reliable and plenty. No one proposing that it should be one of the options for countries like Sweden is insane.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by Gwypaas on Saturday October 15, 2022 @04:01AM (#33212786)
Sweden has about the best options possible for a renewable powered grid. 40-50% of the electricity comes from hydro currently, simply transition that to be less baseload and more dispatchable, and Sweden now has days of storage.

Couple that with off-shore wind in one of the windiest places on earth[1] together with solar during the summer wind lulls and you have all you need.

This is why storage is not being built in Sweden, energy is simply too abundant and cheap.

[1]: https://globalwindatlas.info/en

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by fpoling on Saturday October 15, 2022 @05:24AM (#33213206)
We have a large scale war in Europe now with Russia threatening with nukes. We have attacks by unknown actor that destroyed gas pipelines.

From this one can see how the idea that somebody will bomb out a nuclear power station somewhere in Europe gets non-trivial probability.

So nuclear power really cannot be safe when this planet allows crazy guys to gain enough power.

As for coal then consider that an electric car that uses electricity from a modern coal plant with over 40% efficiency generates less CO2 than a gasoline or diesel car.

So rather than building nuclear power, the states should invest to upgrade older coal power plants from their 30-35% efficiency to 40-45% and quickly phase out petrol cars while expanding on renewables.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by brabel on Sunday October 16, 2022 @04:56AM (#33222199)
> So nuclear power really cannot be safe when this planet allows crazy guys to gain enough power.

This is an argument that ignores reality completely. How many attacks have there been against nuclear power plants by crazy guys even when we've had nuclear power throughout some of the most dangerous periods in history, including the Cold War and the current Ukrainian conflict?

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by b4je7d7wb on Sunday October 16, 2022 @02:33AM (#33221543)
And what happens when it's not windy or sunny?