Re:Zelensky says 'big Israel' a model for post-war Ukraine
by _-david-_ on Friday October 14, 2022 @11:20PM
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>Russia needs to be completely humiliated, economically and geopolitically.
That worked pretty well after WW1 with Germany. Maybe it will work even better this time.
Re:Zelensky says 'big Israel' a model for post-war Ukraine
by darthrupert on Saturday October 15, 2022 @03:59AM
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So are you suggesting that we skip the humiliation part this time around proceed directly to Nato troops in Moscow?
Re:Zelensky says 'big Israel' a model for post-war Ukraine
by dzhiurgis on Saturday October 15, 2022 @05:45AM
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Troops and nukes is too generous. Napalm, anthrax, bio and chemical weapons.
People outside of Eastern Europe just have no clue how much we want russia to disappear
Re:Zelensky says 'big Israel' a model for post-war Ukraine
by darthrupert on Saturday October 15, 2022 @07:22AM
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Yeah, well, I would very much hope that it doesn't have to come to that. Russia the government needs to be destroyed, not Russia the nation and definitely not russians the people.
While they are as culpable about putinism as germans in early 1900s were for nazism, death is not exactly the correct punishment for that.
Re:Zelensky says 'big Israel' a model for post-war Ukraine
by MauroIksem on Friday October 14, 2022 @11:21PM
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Given that you feel this way about Russia what was is your opinion on America's role in the middle east the last 30 years?
Re:Zelensky says 'big Israel' a model for post-war Ukraine
by arthurcolle on Friday October 14, 2022 @11:46PM
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It was a shameful time in our history, especially when you consider the fact that we didn't even attack the right antagonists
They are war criminals and are not fulfilling their end of the bargain vis-a-vis the UN. I can't imagine they are fully comprehending the effects of their actions on their two handfuls of geopolitical relationships or their internal economic hierarchy.
Putin is literally defenestrating oligarchs and stealing assets (for what its worth, just like asset forfeiture actions in the USA).
If they use tactical nuclear weapons, that would be a sad day for the human historical record and a reflection of the deeply offensive insanity of their regime. I would expect, based on Jake Sullivan's words last week or two, that in response the US and maybe some subset of its many NATO allies will use a McSupersized dose of Freedom^TM via conventional weapons and liberate all the Russian vessels in the Black Sea from this plane of existence.
China is definitely an ongoing threat but it makes sense to approach things one at a time. I don't think we should feel any need to focus on peace.
Russia needs to be completely humiliated, economically and geopolitically.
They have shown they are not a reasonable actor on the world stage and will have to make amends for many decades to demonstrate that they are starting down a path that approaches what you'd expect in a modern day neoliberal society. Putin has to go as a pre-requisite for the above.
Furthermore, we must somehow install a sense of deep fear in Russia's population - contingent on the fact that what enabled that state to exist in its previous and currently present form, is fundamentally incompatible with the new state of the universe.
We have to show them this fact and do what we can to help them understand, in any way we can as citizens of the world that any future where Russia's relevancy returns... that it is all pre-requisite on a potential future state of existence (that is not the one that is currently in existence) where the current trajectory of their rotten husk of an administration is a distant memory.
That time is not now, and every additional terrorist action that is taken by the invading country's regime is an action that pushes that moment further into the future.