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Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by mkl95 on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:56PM (#33208714)
Sweden is a small player in the EU but hopefully this will drive more countries away from Germany's dystopian madness
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by lampshades on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:58PM (#33208724)
What is Germanys dystopian madness?
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by streblo on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:15PM (#33208892)
Something like 40% of the "renewable" energy being generated in the EU/Britain comes from burning wood, a lot of which was shipped from the US.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by nicoburns on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:41PM (#33209153)
I don't think most reasonable people count biomass in with renewable (at least not large scale biomass). e.g. this website https://grid.iamkate.com/ has biomass in "other" along with nuclear and pumped hydro storage.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by Georgelemental on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:52PM (#33209251)
The people setting Germany's energy policy are not reasonable, unfortunately.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by BurningFrog on Friday October 14, 2022 @07:09PM (#33209872)
Biomass literally grows on trees. It's by definition renewable.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by nicoburns on Friday October 14, 2022 @07:25PM (#33209988)
In theory, but an unfortunate amount of biomass burnt in Europe is old growth forest being cut down in the US and shipped across the Atlantic. So renewable, but it would take hundreds of years to renew, and likely won't be renewed.\

https://policy.friendsoftheearth.uk/insight/future-drax-old-...

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by michaelt on Friday October 14, 2022 @08:01PM (#33210224)
The wood pellet power used in the UK is pretty sketchy.

Even in the best case, when you cut down a tree, burn it, and plant a replacement you've still released a bunch of carbon into the atmosphere. So carbon in the atmosphere will be raised for 20-50 years.

When people have looked into the source of these wood pellets the claims of the pellet companies often don't line up with official records - like saying they didn't log an old-growth forest, when they held the logging license at the time it was logged. Or claiming they only use sawdust and low-quality wood, when their output volume is much greater than the amount of low-quality wood you'd expect [1].

And supposedly the trees get replanted - but the company doing it got paid when the pellets were delivered. If in 5 years time they decide to do something else with the land, they can do.

The government turns a blind eye to this to hit their 'renewables' targets.

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-63089348

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by BurningFrog on Saturday October 15, 2022 @11:51AM (#33215839)
> Even in the best case, when you cut down a tree, burn it, and plant a replacement you've still released a bunch of carbon into the atmosphere. So carbon in the atmosphere will be raised for 20-50 years.

Global warming is a global, long term issue.

Focusing on a single tree is pretty much the canonical opposite of the wrong perspective to bring to it.

For the replanting side to work, growing fuel trees needs to be profitable. When it is, capitalists will replant out of greed, and the system will hum along by itself.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by mkl95 on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:00PM (#33208737)
Relying on coal on for 30%+ of their electricity
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by tpmx on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:24PM (#33208976)
That's a small part of their sins. The big part is relying on gas for heating. When speaking with germans I've found that they think of gas as "clean" which sounds insane to me. Yeah, maybe locally, compared to coal, but it's their largest co2 emission source nevertheless.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by Isolus on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:49PM (#33209225)
I don't know anyone in germany who thinks gas is "clean". New buildings are built with heat pumps. They are considered clean if used with renewable energy.

But it's difficult to use them in old buildings and gas is said to be to most cleanest heating technology based on fossil fuels.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by anonporridge on Friday October 14, 2022 @08:11PM (#33210290)
Heat pumps are amazing and a big step forward, but Germany's electricity is energized by natural gas peaker plants when there is not enough wind or solar generation operating.

Even if every German building was using heat pumps, they would still be burning TONS of natural gas to keep the electricity flowing consistently, because they have no long term energy storage solution to pair with renewables, especially through the long, dark winters when the sun rarely shines.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by ncmncm on Friday October 14, 2022 @11:25PM (#33211433)
You imagine there is no plan because you do not know about the plans.

It would be stupid to build storage there is not renewable generating capacity to charge. When there is such capacity, they will then build out storage. In the meantime the correct place to spend is on generation. Which, in fact, is what they are doing.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by tpmx on Friday October 14, 2022 @08:23PM (#33210345)
Germany literally got the EU to label gas burning as "green energy" (!).

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/ger...

https://www.dw.com/en/european-commission-declares-nuclear-a...

(Does that count as gaslighting?)

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by Isolus on Saturday October 15, 2022 @06:10AM (#33213406)
The cited article says "a bridge for a limited transition period" and not "green energy".

So no, they don't want to label it green energy, they only prefer it to other fossil fuels and nuclear but the goal is to phase out natural gas as well.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by tpmx on Saturday October 15, 2022 @06:18AM (#33213451)
The DW headline is "European Commission declares nuclear and gas to be green".

Is the state-owned DW/ARD not a trustworthy news source?

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by Isolus on Saturday October 15, 2022 @07:01AM (#33213685)
The article cites "gas and nuclear were labeled as "transitional" energy sources in the taxonomy".

So the news itself is correct but the headline abbreviates this very badly.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by tormeh on Friday October 14, 2022 @07:44PM (#33210116)
It’s “clean coal” all over again.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by ncmncm on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:12PM (#33208851)
It is dishonest to conflate emergency war measures as policy.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by mkl95 on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:30PM (#33209026)
War is just the straw that broke the camel's back. Shutting down nuclear energy while depending on a dictator's gas set them to fail.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by est31 on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:27PM (#33208995)
Yeah the plan was to buy methane gas from Russia instead. Still a non renewable source, but the gas would have caused less CO2 emissions and less pollution (gas causes less CO2 per kilowatt hour). Of course, the war and the bombings of NordStream have put an end to that.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by ncmncm on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:39PM (#33209123)
The gas would have been used to fill in while renewables were being built out. Now coal is filling in while renewables are being built out even faster.

Without the investment to date in wind, coal dependency would have been massively greater.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by est31 on Friday October 14, 2022 @06:59PM (#33209801)
Yeah, note that a lot of those renewables won't be built in Germany but outside of it, as there is simply no capacity for this in Germany.

While Germany is a net exporter for electricity, it does import a large chunk of its total energy usage (electricity plus stuff like fuel for cars, heating, et). Stuff like coal or gas or oil. In 2017, it was from 70% of imports and 30% from energy harvested locally [0]. It's quite impossible that this can all be converted to renewable power sources originating in Germany.

So what will likely/hopefully happen is that the closer partner countries will supply electricity to Germany via cables, while countries from further away will send Hydrogen generated from renewable sources, that will then be burned in the already existing gas plants.

[0]: https://www.weltenergierat.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/810...

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by Georgelemental on Friday October 14, 2022 @06:00PM (#33209317)
The emergency measures are needed because the peacetime policy was not designed to be resilient. A better peacetime policy would have obviated the need for destructive emergency measures.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by kevin_thibedeau on Friday October 14, 2022 @06:48PM (#33209714)
If only they'd listened to someone who warned them four years ago while possessed by a rare display of competence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaBUNqVTkCs

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by ncmncm on Friday October 14, 2022 @07:02PM (#33209820)
The peacetime policy was to build renewable capacity. Now there is radically more renewable capacity than before, much more than if another direction had been chosen.

If 30% coal today is bad, >>30% coal, the alternative, would have been correspondingly worse.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by cjblomqvist on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:11PM (#33208842)
According to Wikipedia (quoting a source from jan 2021) 24% of energy production comes from coal.
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by mkl95 on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:15PM (#33208884)
According to the German Federal Statistical Office (report released a few weeks ago) it was 31.4% on the first half of the year up from 17.2% on the same period a year earlier. https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economic-Sectors-Enterpris...
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by anonporridge on Friday October 14, 2022 @08:01PM (#33210223)
Shutting down one of the cleanest and safest sources of electricity (nuclear fission) in favor of a natural gas enabled renewable grid with natural gas primarily supplied by Putin.

Nuclear fission is clean energy.

Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by ncmncm on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:11PM (#33208840)
Is Sweden in the EU?
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by mkl95 on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:15PM (#33208887)
It is. You are probably thinking about Norway
Re:Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will ... by fulafel on Saturday October 15, 2022 @08:46AM (#33214304)
EU membership is pretty orthogonal to electricity markets and grid connections in Europe. For example in northern europe UK and Norway (which are non-eu) are connected to the nearby markets.