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Re:What Is It Like to Have a Brain?: Nineteen Ways of Lookin... by TaupeRanger on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:30PM (#33208466)
Just as handwavy as any other explanation of consciousness. I can make an electronic device that runs a Python program that predicts how input affects the device. That doesn't make the device conscious.
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Re:What Is It Like to Have a Brain?: Nineteen Ways of Lookin... by sdht0 on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:48PM (#33209218)
A sufficiently advanced such Python program will probably actually be conscious.
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Re:What Is It Like to Have a Brain?: Nineteen Ways of Lookin... by namero999 on Friday October 14, 2022 @06:20PM (#33209483)
Of course not. And sorry if I've missed the sarcasm :)
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Re:What Is It Like to Have a Brain?: Nineteen Ways of Lookin... by jamiek88 on Friday October 14, 2022 @07:42PM (#33210090)
Why of course not?
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Re:What Is It Like to Have a Brain?: Nineteen Ways of Lookin... by namero999 on Saturday October 15, 2022 @10:03AM (#33214939)
What makes you think that a simulation of a process is the process itself? If you were to simulate on silicon kidney function down to sub-particle precision, would you expect your computer to pee on your desk? So why would you expect consciousness to be present in a simulation of brain activity or brain complexity? Can you point to _any_ instance of presumed consciousness in a non-biological complex?
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Re:What Is It Like to Have a Brain?: Nineteen Ways of Lookin... by TaupeRanger on Sunday October 16, 2022 @05:49PM (#33227468)
Yes, you would expect the kidney to produce its expected outputs to an entity within" the simulation. Of course it wouldn't produce the same things outside the simulation.
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Re:What Is It Like to Have a Brain?: Nineteen Ways of Lookin... by TaupeRanger on Saturday October 15, 2022 @01:02AM (#33211918)
Which is why it's so handwavy. Why not just say "at some point the magic comes in and you get qualia", which again, explains nothing.
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