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Re:White House is pushing ahead research to cool Earth by re... by woodruffw on Thursday October 13, 2022 @08:09PM (#33198135)
To be clear: we can (at least us Americans) consume far less and produce far less pollution per capita than we currently do without meaningfully impacting our quality of life. This is directly evidenced by Northern Europe.
Re:White House is pushing ahead research to cool Earth by re... by willnonya on Thursday October 13, 2022 @08:16PM (#33198194)
I think you are stretching the meaning of 'meaningfully impacting' to near absurdity.
Re:White House is pushing ahead research to cool Earth by re... by woodruffw on Thursday October 13, 2022 @08:21PM (#33198229)
Not really, unless there’s something about the quality of life in most of Europe that you fundamentally wouldn’t find acceptable.

In other words: your perception of your quality of life would have to have unreasonable roots (such as a large, disproportionately wasteful car and needing to consume large amounts of relatively low quality chicken and pork) in order for you to actually experience a decline, rather than just change.

Re:White House is pushing ahead research to cool Earth by re... by kelnos on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:00PM (#33199152)
I think "can" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Sure, it's theoretically possible, but I don't think it's at all realistic to expect most Americans to change their attitudes toward consumption. I think the only way to do that would be to tax everything to the point that most people just couldn't afford more than basic consumption. But that's... pretty regressive, and no politicians would survive more than a term (if that!) without repealing those taxes.

Otherwise, what motive do most Americans have to reduce consumption? Even people who believe climate change is real and are worried about it likely barely move the needle. That's before we even consider people who don't believe or don't care.

Now, I think we can reasonably meaningfully reduce the amount of pollution we produce per "unit of consumption" such that consumption levels could remain relatively unchanged, but still allow us to save the world. Whether or not we can get there, with powerful short-term-thinking, status-quo-loving lobbying groups hindering progress every step of the way, is another matter.

Re:White House is pushing ahead research to cool Earth by re... by woodruffw on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:21PM (#33199281)
It is indeed doing a lot of heavy lifting. But I don't think it's all that infeasible, and doesn't require taxing everything into the ground.

There are lots of things, primarily in the domain of corporate regulation and incentives, that we can do to reduce per-capita pollution. Plugging externalizations, in turn, has a virtuous effect on demand (since businesses will push some of the costs onto consumers, and consumers will respond by maximizing purchase value over longer timeframes).