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Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by brundolf on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @05:38PM (#33183790)
SMS has always been pretty broken for group chats and multimedia. I don't think we can blame Apple for that

We could blame Apple for not making an Android iMessage app, though

Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by gjsman-1000 on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @05:43PM (#33183871)
Rumor has it that, despite Apple's public claims, one reason why is that iMessage is tied to a physical device. This helps keeps spam, malware, and banned devices all under control. Expanding to Windows and Android by definition means that iMessage can no longer have that per-device tie, which undermines these controls.
Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by hn_throwaway_99 on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @05:52PM (#33184018)
This is a total bullshit reason. Literally every other messaging app, including well regarded secure ones, have cross platform versions available.
Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by filoleg on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @06:08PM (#33184249)
Yeah, and that's exactly why I've never received spam through iMessage even once over many years (despite being active in a bunch of group chats and 1:1 conversations).

All while I receive whatsapp/telegram message spam on a fairly regular basis, despite not being active in any groups or channels on those apps (and in general, opening them maybe once or twice a week at most). The only reason I even use those 2 apps is to talk to select few old relatives of mine who are not very tech literate and who just happened to learn how to use those apps +a couple of friends who simply insist on using those apps.

Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by colinmhayes on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @06:42PM (#33184691)
I have the opposite experience for what it's worth.
Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by filoleg on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @07:30PM (#33185164)
To make sure I understand it correctly, you actually receive imessage spam, not sms spam? Because regular sms spam (green bubbles) could still arrive.
Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by colinmhayes on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @07:36PM (#33185218)
Oh yea it’s normal, but so what? Still sends me a notification
Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by thirdsun on Thursday October 13, 2022 @09:05AM (#33190425)
Then your point doesn't apply to iMessage. You receive SMS spam, not iMessage spam.
Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by colinmhayes on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:41AM (#33192528)
But iMessage has done nothing to lower the amount of spam I receive so I don't see any benefit.
Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by brundolf on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @08:31PM (#33185682)
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me

1. It's multi-device at least when we're talking about non-phones; that's one of its better features, being able to use it from your Mac or iPad

2. You can make an iMessage account without having an iPhone; just having an email/Apple ID and some other Apple device to use it from

3. If you had an Android phone, presumably you wouldn't also have an iPhone at the same time? And even if you were using it on an iPhone, it seems like nothing stops you from being logged in on a second iPhone

Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by hn_throwaway_99 on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @05:50PM (#33183992)
But points being:

1. RCS is now available and a standard. iMessage already "degrades" to sending SMS messages to those not on iMessage. There is no reason they can't better support RCS.

2. While MMS groups were missing a ton of features, there are just things now that are much worse as an Android user interacting with an iMessage group than it was previously in an MMS group. I.e. I never used to have issues with dropped images before, but in an iMessage group it's like a crapshoot whether my photos get delivered.

Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by jiggawatts on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @06:24PM (#33184467)
There's many reasons not to support RCS.

It is a bag of standard parts thrown together by a bunch of telecommunications companies in a desperate attempt to hold on to their 50c per message cash cow.

If you spend more than a minute actually looking into it, you'll realise that Apple would basically have to run it in a virtual machine for security, and then hand over control to a bunch of telcos that can't even all agree on what is and isn't included in RCS.

Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by colinmhayes on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @06:41PM (#33184682)
Still better than SMS/MMS. But apple can come up with a new standard if they want. Or... they can port the one they've already invented to android.
Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by Wowfunhappy on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @07:30PM (#33185163)
> It is a bag of standard parts thrown together by a bunch of telecommunications companies in a desperate attempt to hold on to their 50c per message cash cow.

But in the US (the market being discussed here) basically all US mobile plans include unlimited texting anyway...

Re:87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone... by postalrat on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @08:43PM (#33185779)
Well then, why not use whatsapp or whatever the rest of the world is using?