News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Researchers Find ‘Significant Rates’ of Sinking Ground in... by kube-system on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @06:47PM (#33170265)
High prices aren’t necessarily an indicator of the quantity of demand but more so that >= 2 people with that amount of money want that home.

For instance: nice homes in very low demand areas may sell for large amounts of money and only have a single offer.

Re:Researchers Find ‘Significant Rates’ of Sinking Ground in... by gpm on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @07:22PM (#33170560)
I think there are two (very fair) criticisms in your post.

One is that we're really talking about demand from people who can afford it. All the demand in the world from people living on minimum wage won't drive house prices up so they aren't really "counted" in my analysis. There's not really a way to fix this issue with the data, but I'd argue that demand from rich people is still a good sign. Indeed, rich people are the most mobile and able to move away from a shitty place to live.

The other is that the quality of the home matters (a lot). Which is completely true, but the cheap shitty homes in the bay area are still demanding these prices, so I'm not sure it really applies to the concrete situation being discussed even though it is an issue with my general argument. You could maybe try and find "comparable" homes in different places to try and account for that, but I have no doubt doing so would open you up to accusations of bias (intentional or otherwise).

Re:Researchers Find ‘Significant Rates’ of Sinking Ground in... by danans on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @07:56PM (#33170865)
> For instance: nice homes in very low demand areas may sell for large amounts of money and only have a single offer.

These houses and the areas they occupy (i.e Beverly Hills, Park Ave ) are an extreme edge case, and don't exist in the same housing market as normal houses.

Above a certain very high price percentile, there are always very few buyers and sellers, and they are all paying a high premium for things like high physical security.

Re:Researchers Find ‘Significant Rates’ of Sinking Ground in... by kube-system on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @08:23PM (#33171079)
That wasn't what I was thinking of -- I was thinking more of the $1m+ homes sparsely scattered around rural America. They're expensive because they're nice places to be, not because they're high in demand like a home in the Bay Area
Re:Researchers Find ‘Significant Rates’ of Sinking Ground in... by danans on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @08:59PM (#33171381)
> They're expensive because they're nice places to be, not because they're high in demand like a home in the Bay Area

I believe you have used circular reasoning here. The price is ultimately governed by supply and demand. They are expensive because more people demand them than the supply available for sale. There are many reasons why demand can exceed supply, like development restrictions, difficult building environments.

That's no different in a pretty rural area or in a place like the bay area. The extremely pretty and expensive rural areas (think luxury ski towns) control housing development even more strictly than expensive cities. The bottom line is desirability, which manifests as demand.

And, if you're paying $1M+ for a house in the rural plains, it's probably far bigger than the typical house, because the land is very cheap.

Re:Researchers Find ‘Significant Rates’ of Sinking Ground in... by kube-system on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @09:56PM (#33171822)
I am saying that the value of the demand is not necessarily driven by the number of people demanding it.

You may have a piece of property that only one person in the world wants to live on, but if you get a single buyer willing to give you a million bucks, you have a million dollar property.

Meanwhile, 100 people might want to live in a particular property in a ghetto, but none of them have a million dollars to bid on it. The price will only raise to the maximum amount that the buying pool can afford. More demand doesn't result in higher prices, it results in homelessness and/or people moving to alternate markets.

My point is that $1.5m prices are not a signal that a ton of people want to live in a particular place. It's a signal that people who can obtain $1.5 million dollar loans want to purchase there, and that the demand satisfies the motivated supply. That's it.

Re:Researchers Find ‘Significant Rates’ of Sinking Ground in... by danans on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @02:33AM (#33173603)
> More demand doesn't result in higher prices, it results in homelessness and/or people moving to alternate markets

I don't know where you are referring to but there is reams of historical data that demonstrates that more demand without an increase in supply leads to all 3 of those.

> My point is that $1.5m prices are not a signal that a ton of people want to live in a particular place.

Yes, and $1.5M in isolation is a meaningless number and not a signal of anything at all without describing what exactly it buys you.

What does signal desirability is the trend line in property prices in a given area and the relative price of equivalent properties in different areas.