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Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by ponow on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @04:28PM (#33168816)
> it is incoherent for people to say that certain racial groups being over-represented doesn't mean the system isn't fair, blacks suddenly being hired is evidence the system isn't fair

Incorrect, for these aren't the same thing: one has existed for a long time and the other is a sudden change. The latter begs an explanation, and it's there: deliberate management manipulation of the candidate pool. It's therefore understandable that co-workers will see such hires/promotions as based in part on factors beyond performance.

Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by tremon on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @06:02PM (#33169817)
it's there: deliberate management manipulation of the candidate pool

In which direction was the manipulation? How do you prove that the pool manipulation was neutral before and is now favouring blacks, rather than it was disadvantaging blacks and has now moved to a more neutral postion?

"has existed for a long time" is just an appeal to tradition. It says nothing about the validity or correctness of the previous situation.

Re:What diversity and inclusion means at Microsoft by Manuel_D on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @04:34PM (#33182702)
> How do you prove that the pool manipulation was neutral before and is now favouring blacks, rather than it was disadvantaging blacks and has now moved to a more neutral postion?

Anonymize the applicants. You can determine what a neutral pool is by removing the ability to discriminate between applicants of different race, gender, etc.