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Re:Ask HN: Would quickly accepting Russia and Ukraine as NAT... by rossdavidh on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @04:16PM (#33168685)
1) one requirement for NATO admission, as I understand it, is that you don't have any active wars going on.

2) while there was one case where Turkey and Greece went to war when they were both NATO members, generally speaking it is a requirement that you don't attack other NATO members.

3) it is expected that all NATO members must be democracies, and while Russia has had elections, and I think arguably was a real democracy in Yeltsin's day, it hasn't had competitive elections in decades. You don't have to be a perfect democracy to be in NATO (otherwise Turkey and arguably the US might not qualify), but you do have to approximately speaking have elections in which the incumbent might possibly lose (true in both Turkey and US today, not true in Russia).

4) What Putin actually wanted was to reassert Russia's dominance over Ukraine, making it somewhat similar to Belorussia in that it would have a separate government, but would not be really independent. The stuff about worries about Russian security was a pretext, kind of like WMD's were the pretext for the US in the Iraq War but not the real primary reason.

Re:Ask HN: Would quickly accepting Russia and Ukraine as NAT... by amichail on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @04:27PM (#33168799)
Elections could be supervised by the UN to make sure they are fair and that Russia becomes a true democracy.
Re:Ask HN: Would quickly accepting Russia and Ukraine as NAT... by tpmx on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @04:30PM (#33168840)
Hello again, Vladimir Putin/Elon Musk fan.
Re:Ask HN: Would quickly accepting Russia and Ukraine as NAT... by amichail on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @04:46PM (#33169029)
These are different elections....
Re:Ask HN: Would quickly accepting Russia and Ukraine as NAT... by rossdavidh on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @03:27PM (#33181830)
If Russia ('s elite led by Putin) were willing to agree to that, they would be willing to agree to much else that they have not agreed to.