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Re:U.S. Army Chooses Google Workspace by elefanten on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @04:43AM (#33160855)
You can't seriously compare the assertions pushed through the media after 9/11 to the multitudes of sensory and social evidence that Ukraine was attacked.

I opposed GWOT / going into Iraq after 9/11, I have not forgotten the collective national mania.

But the comparison you're drawing to Ukraine is nonsense. If you're at the point where you believe all the reports, images and interviews detailing the millions of refugees crossing out of Ukraine have been faked... I'm not sure how to help you.

Re:U.S. Army Chooses Google Workspace by tchalla on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @05:31AM (#33161200)
> If you're at the point where you believe all the reports, images and interviews detailing the millions of refugees crossing out of Ukraine have been faked...

Clearly, that's not what the OP is saying.

Re:U.S. Army Chooses Google Workspace by faeriechangling on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @11:15PM (#33172351)
I'm not making a comment on the relative worthiness of the two wars, more that this is the first time I've really seen war fever take root since the GWOT, not as badly, but I see it a little bit.

It's around the time I started seeing demands to put "fact checks" on every search engine result about the Ukraine war that I went "Huh, that sounds remarkably similar to wartime propaganda to me, what with the usual demands to not believe enemy lies and to only trust sources that mostly cite US intelligence agencies"

Like amnesty international released a report about Ukrainian soldiers committing war crimes. No surprise, there has never been a war where people on both sides did not commit war crimes, nobody is doubting Russian is not committing a great majority of war crimes, but just read the reactions you see on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/wg5jfz/amnesty_...

When I see this level of war crime apologism and denialism I go "huh, I think people are a little heated about this war". Again I'm not saying Ukraine is not the good side here committing far less war crimes, that they aren't a defensive army fighting against imperialist aggression, I'm not saying the Russian's haven't been flattening buildings full of civilians with bombs or devastating cities full of innocents, all I'm saying is people are REAL fired up and maybe are not looking at this conflict in a totally neutral way.

Re:U.S. Army Chooses Google Workspace by faeriechangling on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @11:54PM (#33172638)
I'm not comparing the worthiness of the two wars, I'm comparing the public excitement around the wars. I definitely am far more supportive of a defensive war than a pre-emptive war on general principle.