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Re:Quiet Quitting by steveBK123 on Monday October 10, 2022 @11:30AM (#33152646)
I wonder if there's any interplay here with the "radically flat" organizations of our generation, especially in tech.

For better or worse, when I first started out, and the first 2 companies I worked, there were something like 10-15 layers from me to the CEO. This created a hypothetical ladder of responsibilities and titles I felt I could climb, with rungs 3-5 years apart, getting wider the higher you go.

In more recent roles, I have been in 3000 person organizations where even as an IC, I am known to, and speak with, people in the C-suite short of the CEO. I work for someone with 50 people in org, who works for someone with 1500 in their org, who works for the CEO.

A lot of these radically flat orgs expect ICs as "senior engineers" or "staff engineers" or some other made up title to do some ad-hoc mix of IC, people management, project management, etc.

In effect a lot of us get asked to do a job we don't have, and in fact, will never have, given the 50:1, 1500:1, and 3000:1 ratios from IC to each of the 3 levels on the ladder.

The second dimension is that software project lifecycles have always been shorter than traditional engineering, and have become shorter. This leads to a lot of hopping between firms as your project hits peak and is on the disinvest cycle.

Re:Quiet Quitting by workerthrow632 on Monday October 10, 2022 @11:38AM (#33152757)
> A lot of these radically flat orgs expect ICs as "senior engineers" or "staff engineers" or some other made up title to do some ad-hoc mix of IC, people management, project management, etc.

Then they fire someone randomly and wonder why the company fell apart because that random was doing the bulk of the unappreciated 'glue' work but because their manager never recognized them for that work or bothered to promote them, no one knew besides their co-workers

Re:Quiet Quitting by throwaway5947 on Monday October 10, 2022 @12:18PM (#33153250)