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Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by gjsman-1000 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @06:32PM (#33145953)
I am all in favor, and beg for a bill, that would simply declare that publicly-owned, publicly-traded companies may not legally possess housing, unless they built it themselves. Manage, yes; own, no. Never going to happen though.
Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by Retric on Sunday October 09, 2022 @06:37PM (#33145986)
It’s mostly local voters that are the issue not companies.

Good luck trying to lower property prices. This is a case of what’s good for the country is rarely good for the people making these choices. People living outside a county don’t decide what it’s policies are but still suffer from it’s policies.

Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by brazed_blotch on Sunday October 09, 2022 @06:45PM (#33146044)
You have written “it’s” instead of “its” on the last two occurrences of the word. It should be without the apostrophe, as it’s indicating possession. I used to get this wrong all the time too.
Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:32PM (#33147481)
Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by WalterBright on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:39PM (#33147512)
That's not going to fix anything.
Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by lostcolony on Monday October 10, 2022 @12:21AM (#33147749)
I dunno; a lot more house purchases are being bought as investments now, rather than places to live, than ever before. https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/sta...
Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by WalterBright on Monday October 10, 2022 @03:28AM (#33148725)
They're rented out to people who will live in them.
Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by lostcolony on Monday October 10, 2022 @12:56PM (#33153741)
Yes. And? The thread is about people buying houses, not people affording rent.
Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by WalterBright on Monday October 10, 2022 @02:18PM (#33154700)
I was replying to "rather than places to live".
Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by Karrot_Kream on Monday October 10, 2022 @04:30AM (#33149115)
It's only an investment because somebody is willing to pay rent to cover the mortgage the purchaser paid and supply profit to the owner. If there are no renters willing to rent then nobody is able to profit.

Moreover the reason why more housing has become investments is because capital costs of the housing market has increased. If local governments and fiscal policy try to make housing prices increase forever, then eventually house capital costs become high enough that only corporations or co-ops can own them.

Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by lostcolony on Monday October 10, 2022 @12:55PM (#33153726)
>> It's only an investment because somebody is willing to pay rent to cover the mortgage the purchaser paid and supply profit to the owner. If there are no renters willing to rent then nobody is able to profit.

Not true; if housing prices continue to increase, then even without rent it becomes a reasonable investment. But that's just it; people need a place to live, so with housing becoming harder to purchase due to higher competition, more people end up renting, becoming this negative feedback loop.

>> Moreover the reason why more housing has become investments is because capital costs of the housing market has increased. If local governments and fiscal policy try to make housing prices increase forever, then eventually house capital costs become high enough that only corporations or co-ops can own them.

So local government and zoning can be part of the issue, sure, but again, 1/4 of the homes sold in the past year were to institutional investors looking to rent them out. Those homes -could- have gone to a family; instead they became rental units. Relevant when we are talking about home ownership.

As to fiscal policy, I sort of agree with you, but not quite. It's less fiscal policy (after all, both a potential homeowner and a business can float a loan), but the scale at play. An investment company can get millions loaned out to them just by dint of being a business with cashflow, and so can pay well over appraisal. Homeowners can't; the loan there is made on the basis of the property as collateral. That innately means they're not competing on a fair footing.

Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by Karrot_Kream on Monday October 10, 2022 @02:06PM (#33154559)
> Not true; if housing prices continue to increase, then even without rent it becomes a reasonable investment.

Only if other investments with the amount of capital needed for housing don't produce better results and you can guarantee that there will be buyers of the property post appreciation. There are very few (but they are there) housing markets where real estate has appreciated faster than stock markets or other asset classes and can offset taxes in selling the home. If you're using housing purely as an investment vehicle there's also the risk of a downturn causing real estate prices to decrease due to the low liquidity of housing (compared to, say, a fund).

Re:Made in America is back, leaving US factories scrambling ... by lostcolony on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @06:23PM (#33170032)
Even in that case it becomes diversification. It is still a reasonable investment.