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Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Sunday October 09, 2022 @10:20AM (#33141344)
India works on a caste system, said caste system being very discriminatory.

What the other poster meant is that you'll end up hiring out of the upper castes and they'll display a lot of bias towards other castes.

It's to the point that many from India won't admit to the caste they're in.

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by ushtaritk421 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @10:55AM (#33141749)
I mean, legally they are not in a caste, right? Does the Indian state recognize caste?
Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by KrishnaShripad on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:37AM (#33142220)
Yes Indian state recognizes all castes. That is the core problem. For the system to be dismantled you need the Indian state to stop recognizing castes and implement US style Affirmative Action and only provide Reservation opportunities to those from low income groups.

But the first ones to fight against this reform would be the "lower caste" strata of the population. Who would give up freebies, Government jobs as well as in education Prestigious Universities where you can guaranteed it based on your birth caste and not on merit? No one would. If I am born in any of the "lower caste" groups I can easily get a Government job, free/subsidized education in any Prestigious University irrespective of my scores/performance. Now there is talk of reservation/quotas in land distribution as well (comments by a politician in a recent speech to his base). Idea is that if you want to purchase land some section of the land is reserved if you belong to a particular caste (and will probably be available for lower than market rate as well). However ridiculous it might sound.

Affirmative Action in US doesn't have a quota system or reservation. It instead focuses on equal opportunity (no denial of opportunity to anyone based on their race/creed/color/sex/religion etc). This is different from India's Caste based reservation system where you are guaranteed of a job/education if you belong to lower caste. Doesn't matter if you are merited or not. Doesn't matter if you are rich or not. Even seats in the Parliament of India have reservations/quotas for lower castes.

It is ridiculous to talk about dismantling caste system while in the same breath prop up structures that actively promotes this same caste system on the Government level. And the Politicians do not want to dismantle said system because it helps with their vote bank.

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by newyankee on Sunday October 09, 2022 @10:57AM (#33141784)
That is a very far fetched statement. I am an Indian and technically from Other backward class (OBC) as classified in the system. I have never had a problem in my city. Off course that doesn't mean that India is not a huge and complex country with 100s if not thousands of groups differentiated based on region, class , caste etc. You are colouring a very complicated and nuanced issue with your personal biases.
Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:04AM (#33141877)
What bias is it you think I have?
Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by KrishnaShripad on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:08AM (#33141923)
The only comment here that actually spoke the Facts as it is. Another commenter even said there is "systemic slavery" in India. Don't know whether to laugh or cry at the naivety of this individual. To think that 1.4 billion people, of which 80% belong to the so called "lower caste" strata, and that the rest 20% are enslaving the 80% is not only laughable but downright insane proposition. I wanted to respond but I know it is not worth spending my time and energy on such individuals.

Just goes to show how bias clouds reason and logic. Propaganda in full swing!

Thank you for speaking facts.

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:20AM (#33142063)
I said nothing about slavery, what are you talking about?
Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by KrishnaShripad on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:22AM (#33142074)
Did I say it was you? I said "another commenter". If I wanted to say it was you, I would have said it was you.
Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:36AM (#33142205)
you lumped me in with them, implying an attitude I don't have.

And before you try to claim otherwise, don't bother. The English language has implicature.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/implicature/

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by KrishnaShripad on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:42AM (#33142279)
I lumped you in with propagandists. Some spread propaganda of there being "systemic slavery" while others say "What the other poster meant is that you'll end up hiring out of the upper castes and they'll display a lot of bias towards other castes".

Both are not borne out of facts but malicious propaganda.

"It's to the point that many from India won't admit to the caste they're in."

You are implying this in a negative manner. The reason people don't talk about caste is because we have progressed a lot in the past century. No one gives a damn about caste in their day-to-day life. It only props up in political rallies where talking about caste based discrimination is a precursor to lay the stage for either increased reservation or introducing new reservation in the already prevalent discriminatory quota system that exists in India (which should have been done away with in 10 years after our Independence as envisaged by Ambedkar himself but nevertheless continues to exist 70+ years after Independence corroding our society further).

> And before you try to claim otherwise, don't bother

I don't have to. You are a propagandist. I stand by that.

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:59AM (#33142441)
right, you lumped me in with someone talking about slavery.

That might have been the first indication you were being unfair.

The poster I responded to thought they were talking about money, the poster was talking about castes.

Leave your religious wars at the door please.

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:54AM (#33142387)
About a month ago I watched an Indian man absolutely go off on another Indian man after hearing his name (this was over zoom). The Indian Man being accosted just took it, and yes, the disagreement was about the name.

I've both read about it and seen it first hand. You don't typically see it expressed so publicly as the above anecdote, most of the time it comes across as an odd sort of subservience. Almost the way you would expect a mail room worker to act towards the CEO.

No one said all Indian's are like this, but it has to do with the Paradox of Intolerance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

> The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.

All it takes is for 1 or 2 individuals to have this attitude and it will eventually take over.

No one ever said it was everyone, but the issue exists.