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Re:Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam... by 01acheru on Sunday October 09, 2022 @07:57AM (#33140197)
> ... lawful order ...

That's why it is not insubordination, the order must be lawful. Your boss is your superior but there are plenty of possible scenarios where disobeying their orders is not insubordination. Besides that, your boss is not in a position to give you orders. It is a work place not a prison or a platoon.

In modern times insubordination is almost always related to military contexts.

Re:Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam... by philipwhiuk on Sunday October 09, 2022 @08:03AM (#33140238)
Nah, insubordination is a very common term in employment law.
Re:Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam... by 01acheru on Sunday October 09, 2022 @08:11AM (#33140280)
It depends on where you live, at least in Europe most people would find the word inappropriate. For us here "disobedience" or something alike would be a better term.
Re:Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam... by apurtbapurt on Sunday October 09, 2022 @10:40AM (#33141598)
I disagree (and am European, and a union rep for many years). Subordination is what I expect from an employee and obedience from a dog.

Subordination is a role you opt into. Obedience is something you can't get away from.

You take a job as mailman and then you are a subordinate to the postmaster. Refusing to carry out sensible and appropriate orders (without a valid reason) is insubordination and grounds for being fired (more or less) on the spot, even in Scandinavia.

What counts as an appropriate order and a valid ground for refusal is probably very different in different regions/countries/states, but the basic dynamic is not.

Re:Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam... by 01acheru on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:34AM (#33142193)
Subordination:

1. The act of subordinating, subjecting, or placing in a lower order, rank, or position, or in proper degrees of rank; also, the state of being subordinate or inferior; inferiority of rank or dignity.

2. Degree of lesser rank.

3. The state of being under control of government; subjection to rule; habit of obedience to orders.

4. The act of subordinating, placing in a lower order, or subjecting.

5. The quality or state of being subordinate or inferior to an other; inferiority of rank or dignity; subjection.

6. Place of inferior rank.

7. The process of making something subordinate.

8. The property of being subordinate.

9. The quality of being properly obedient to a superior (as a superior officer).

As you see when you expect your dog to be obedient your are placing yourself on a higher rank, so your dog is your subordinate.

When you expect your employee to be subordinate your are expecting him to obey when something is asked or tasked from ranks higher than their's in your organization. Your are also expecting him to obey to what is written in the subordination contract signed by both.

Re:Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam... by denton-scratch on Sunday October 09, 2022 @01:40PM (#33143462)
Insubordination is an english word, and it is written into employment law as grounds for immediate dismissal. "Disobedience" isn't. Basically, if you take a paid job, you subordinate yourself to your boss.
Re:Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam... by 01acheru on Sunday October 09, 2022 @05:02PM (#33145321)
> The resident of Diessen, Noord-Brabant, was hired by the the Rijswijk branch of Chetu Inc.

We are talking about a Danish person hired by an European company. I fail to see the point of your comment.

Re:Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam... by jefftk on Sunday October 09, 2022 @08:34AM (#33140416)
Whether the order was lawful is exactly what the suit was about