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Re:JetBrains Ring UI by pier25 on Friday October 07, 2022 @02:51PM (#33125407)
This is such a huge effort.

I wonder how much money it must have cost and is it worth it for JetBrains?

How much time would it take for a team of 5 to make a UI library at this level of sophistication (tests, accessibility, response, etc)? 6 months? 1 year?

Re:JetBrains Ring UI by sz4kerto on Friday October 07, 2022 @02:53PM (#33125429)
I'd be very surprised if this took 5 FTE years, I'd assume way more. Especially including all the non-devs necessary (designers, managers, etc.).
Re:JetBrains Ring UI by pier25 on Friday October 07, 2022 @02:58PM (#33125496)
Honestly I was thinking more like 18-24 months total (for a team of 5). 1 UI designer, 1 UX designer, 3 React devs.

But let's say 5 people working 12 months x 50,000 USD = 250,000 USD.

Even considering non US payrolls at 50k per year, that's a significant expense.

Re:JetBrains Ring UI by sz4kerto on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:04PM (#33125563)
Why are you multiplying yearly salaries with months? :)

JetBrains devs likely cost around 100k/y year here in CEE by the way. But I think 3M is a reasonable guess, 30 FTE years (7 devs, 1 PM, 1 UX, 1 "overhead" (other management costs)).

Re:JetBrains Ring UI by pier25 on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:22PM (#33125759)
Jesus you're right... I'm such an idiot.
Re:JetBrains Ring UI by bit2pixel on Friday October 07, 2022 @05:38PM (#33127168)
He didn't multiply it with months, otherwise the equation wouldn't result in 250k.

He means:

(5 people working for 12 months) x (50000 per person/year) = 250k

Re:JetBrains Ring UI by 4O4 on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:13PM (#33125668)
I don't know US market. How common is it to get 50k a month as a React dev or UX/UI designer across the USA? Or do you mean Silicon Valley only?
Re:JetBrains Ring UI by pier25 on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:26PM (#33125802)
I don't know the US market that much... but here in Mexico that's what a decent dev makes when working for a US company.

I would imagine a good React dev in the US would make (on average) closer to 100k? SV salaries will probably be higher than 100k, no?

Re:JetBrains Ring UI by cercatrova on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:50PM (#33126103)
That's pretty low, I'd expect twice that at least.
Re:JetBrains Ring UI by Merad on Friday October 07, 2022 @05:13PM (#33126930)
50k per month (600k per year) is an extraordinarily high salary even in the US. I assume the parent poster meant 50k per month for the team of 5, so each dev is getting 10k per month/120k per year.
Re:JetBrains Ring UI by pier25 on Saturday October 08, 2022 @06:53PM (#33136823)
I meant 50k per year per person
Re:JetBrains Ring UI by cachvico on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:43PM (#33126010)
I think it's more likely this grew from a single developer who knew what he's doing, to a small team, organically over time as they expanded.

The competitive advantage is that it's bespoke and designed exactly for their own needs. It also provides a look+feel that is distinct from the typical Material UI fork, which could be considered a savvy move.

Re:JetBrains Ring UI by qudat on Friday October 07, 2022 @04:05PM (#33126267)
Literally every company I have worked for builds a component UI library. They are boring and catered specifically to the company's branding and needs.

They also grow with every feature iteration. It starts with `<Text />` and `<Button />` and then grows to include `<Toast />`, forms, modals, etc.

If the company is big enough they can make it public and get some attention but I don't see why anyone would use them for their own personal projects outside of the very limited scope of the company itself.

Re:JetBrains Ring UI by pier25 on Friday October 07, 2022 @04:09PM (#33126317)
Sure, but at this level of polish?

I don't know but I don't think many companies can afford to do this.