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Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by leeHS on Sunday December 04, 2011 @11:45AM (#3311004)
Wow, this is pretty interesting. Perhaps you should approach Interpol and see if they would be interested in funding further development? http://www.interpol.int/en
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by omouse on Sunday December 04, 2011 @03:02PM (#3311609)
Do you realize how much funding law enforcement agencies around the world get? They can do their own damn jobs.
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by leeHS on Sunday December 04, 2011 @03:53PM (#3311776)
I am in law enforcement. This is not always the case.
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by leeHS on Sunday December 04, 2011 @02:18PM (#3311463)
To the down-voters. I had not considered that my suggestion could negatively impact your drug sales. My sincerest sarcastic apologies
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by archivator on Sunday December 04, 2011 @02:53PM (#3311579)
The reason you're getting downvoted may be related to the fact that this is not data Interpol would be in the least interested in. What they need are actual transactions/shipments/links to people, not some rather shallow stats extracted from a month-old copy of listings.

I'd be really impressed if someone actually runs a Bitcoin client that correlates transactions with prices from SR. Since most sellers select prices in USD, the values in BC are usually not nice and round. Then, you could start creating a profile of Bitcoin users and link them with given certainty to SR accounts. Now, that might be of interest to Interpol/local agencies.

Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by omouse on Sunday December 04, 2011 @03:06PM (#3311626)
That's a stupid idea; helping law enforcement do their jobs. THey have large budgets, they can figure this shit out on their own and there's no need to help them oppress your fellow human. Drug laws in most countries are insanely stupid where non-violent drug offenders are locked up for a long time with violent offenders.
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by eli on Sunday December 04, 2011 @03:35PM (#3311717)
You should consider that not everyone agrees with your opinion. That doesn't make them stupid.
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by leeHS on Sunday December 04, 2011 @03:59PM (#3311795)
They do not always have large budgets. But for those agencies that do, why can't they invest in projects such as this?

I'm still trying to figure out why people are against practical applications of this project. It's datamining illegal online activities. Isn't law enforcement a no brainer here?

Please let me know what I'm missing.

Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by omouse on Monday December 05, 2011 @12:10AM (#3313199)
I apologize if I seem harsh in my comments regarding this subject.

The practical applications will be abused. There are already projects by the CIA and NSA to massively monitor various communications platforms. The datamining isn't of only illegal activities, it's datamining of everything.

It's just not as simple as "datamine illegal online activities". You're basically going to have to monitor everyone using bitcoin, and then monitor all of silkroad, but once the users catch wind of surveillance they'll abandon it and move elsewhere and now you might as well monitor freaking everything to catch them.

You should check out the idea of a panopticon and Michael Foucalt's writing on it. Helping to create this project furthers the idea of a panopticon and that's a scary thing. The panopticon is a building that forces people in it to behave by having complete transparency. If you're watched all the time, you're less likely to do something illegal or morally wrong. Maybe that's a bit too philosophical for this discussion... http://cartome.org/foucault.htm

Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by nitrogen on Sunday December 04, 2011 @04:55PM (#3311982)
Judging from past conversations HN has had about things like Silk Road, psilocybin experiments, SOPA/Protect IP, Wikileaks, surveillance, and censorship, the majority have expressed a vehement moral opposition to helping "oppressors" of any kind. They'd probably see writing software for law enforcement the same way you might see writing software for terrorists (though they'd be opposed to writing software for terrorists, too).
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by omouse on Sunday December 04, 2011 @11:30PM (#3313082)
It does make them stupid when they don't consider how much harm has been caused by people helping the government or law enforcement to implement things that cross ethical and moral lines.
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by olefoo on Sunday December 04, 2011 @04:04PM (#3311807)
Law enforcement agencies use contractors and buy software all the time...

Are you saying that's not a valid market to target?

Or do you have ideological objections to selling work and products for the purposes of enforcing laws you personally disagree with?

I personally (and I hope most of the people on this site) would take issue with building and selling products that had no legitimate use other than torture. But I have no problem selling software that could be used to gather information and profile suspected drug dealers or others breaking the established law of the land; even if I disagree with drug prohibition as a policy.

Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by omouse on Sunday December 04, 2011 @04:45PM (#3311937)
The ideology that you subscribe to is capitalism which says that markets and profits rule. Your ideology is in line with law enforcements. My objections are of course ideologically because I'm opposed to the ideology of capitalism.

You cannot even help them gather information and profile suspected drug dealers because that technology and that infrastructure will be abused and will be turned on everyone else. It already has been.

I disagree with drug prohibition but I'm more in disagreement with the future potential abuses of the products created for this purpose.

Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by leeHS on Sunday December 04, 2011 @03:56PM (#3311788)
Why would they not be interested? I happen to interact with them from time to time. Now, I can't say for sure, but I would imagine this is something they would certainly be interested in.
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by drivebyacct2 on Sunday December 04, 2011 @04:38PM (#3311915)
Oh thank god you're here to police what I (am able to buy and then) put in my own body. Your sarcasm is self righteous and doesn't flatter you.
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by leeHS on Sunday December 04, 2011 @05:42PM (#3312117)
While I don't agree with you, I admit my comment was not productive. I guess I was just unprepared for the backlash. I thought my Interpol suggestion was pretty neutral.

I've been writing software for law enforcement for about 7ish years now. My work helps monitor and track DNA samples through a forensic lab. I'm proud to be helping law enforcement this way. My work helps with murders, sexual assaults, break and enters.

Like I said, I saw this project, and thought I would make a suggestion that might help the developer bring it to the next level. It really had nothing to do with my personal beliefs pertaining to drug laws.

Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by drivebyacct2 on Sunday December 04, 2011 @06:02PM (#3312188)
Which part do you not agree with exactly? Personal choice?

If your lab works to stop and solve murders, fine, but my drug use (or lack there of) isn't hurting anyone, yet I have to pay a non-trivial amount in taxes to have peoples' personal choices persecuted.

Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by leeHS on Sunday December 04, 2011 @06:19PM (#3312227)
I was not agreeing with your comment that I was policing you. As for my personal beliefs, like everything in life, it's a balance. Do I want society telling me I can't smoke weed, no. In fact, I don't really want society telling me what to do, period. On the other hand, we all have to live together, and so we all need to agree on some rules to live by to protect each other and society at large. There are some obvious rules, like let's all try not to murder and rape each other. Should drugs be illegal? I don't know. What impact would legalization have on our society? Well, that's the question isn't it? And the debate rages on.
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by drivebyacct2 on Sunday December 04, 2011 @06:22PM (#3312242)
The debate rages on, but there is a lot of logic, as well as empirical evidence that suggests, at the very least the War on Drugs is, in the nicest light, an immense waste of money, and an increasor of violence. As well as other countries that suggest that drugs being illegal is not best for society (Portugal).

In this case, attempting to shut down Silk Road seems like nothing but trying to police what I do that affects no one else. (In fact, the response to this, "anything can be sold on SR, weapons, etc", feeds back into the problems caused by drugs being illegal).

Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by leeHS on Sunday December 04, 2011 @06:37PM (#3312284)
Are you aware of any countries that have completely legalized drugs? I'm not saying this to prove a point, in fact I'd love to see it happen. It would be the perfect way to judge social impact.
Re:Show HN: my weekend project, understanding the Silk Road ... by drivebyacct2 on Sunday December 04, 2011 @07:36PM (#3312413)
>As well as other countries that suggest that drugs being illegal is not best for society (Portugal).

Yes. Portugal. It has been quite successful. Well, decriminalization, but good enough.