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Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by sliverstorm on Saturday December 03, 2011 @08:13PM (#3309488)
I really don't like what you are insinuating. You appear to be implying that some people are inferior due to the ancestry of their parents

Is this just willful blindness? Do you really believe all ethnicity are perfectly matched in their potential?

It's hard to study academia because we don't understand the brain well enough, but do a little reading about ethnicity and genetics as it relates to sports.

Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by barrkel on Saturday December 03, 2011 @08:17PM (#3309497)
I don't think "all ethnicity are perfectly matched in their potential" is an interesting statement one way or the other. I believe individuals are more interesting than arbitrarily chosen groups. I believe we should judge people on their own merits, rather than choosing groups, taking averages of those groups, and then using those groups to make judgements.
Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by sliverstorm on Saturday December 03, 2011 @08:31PM (#3309534)
While I am all for treating individuals as individuals, this discussion thread is not about individuals, it is about groups.
Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by barrkel on Saturday December 03, 2011 @08:38PM (#3309551)
I thought the thread was about college admissions, which at their best, really ought to be about individuals, not groups.
Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by sliverstorm on Saturday December 03, 2011 @08:44PM (#3309562)
Perhaps in an ideal world, but for better or worse we're currently stuck with everyone looking at ethnic distributions and being really upset about them. Affirmative action, for example, is probably the counterpoint to admissions being about individuals...
Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by chegra84 on Saturday December 03, 2011 @08:52PM (#3309578)
"In the mosaic of America, three groups that have been unusually successful are Asian-Americans, Jews and West Indian blacks — and in that there may be some lessons for the rest of us."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/opinion/07kristof.html?_r=...

"Do African immigrants make the smartest Americans? The question may sound outlandish, but if you were judging by statistics alone, you could find plenty of evidence to back it up. In a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data by sociologist John R. Logan at the Mumford Center, State University of New York at Albany, black immigrants from Africa average the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country, including whites and Asians."

http://thesouthern.com/news/opinion/editorial/page/article_2...

I think it is more cultural than genetics.

Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by dapyx on Sunday December 04, 2011 @06:30AM (#3310454)
"black immigrants from Africa average the highest educational attainment of any population group"

-- this is because of selection bias: only the brightest Africans get the chance to immigrate to the US.

Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by chegra84 on Sunday December 04, 2011 @06:33AM (#3310461)
So, isn't it also so with Asians?
Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by Khroma on Sunday December 04, 2011 @10:57AM (#3310891)
Not to the extent of African immigrants, no.

First, there's already an established Asian community that has been here for a long town. There are old Chinatowns, Little Tokyos, etc. There's no Little Nairobi that I've ever heard of. So many Asians aren't actually recent immigrants.

Second, regarding those who are, many Asians aren't here by merit alone. Sure, there are some (like my parents) who came from a poorer background and managed to make it to the US. But increasingly they are supplemented by people who were born into rich families (fu er dai, "second generation rich people"). Now, I don't have statistics to back this up, but this seems to be more prevalent now because of China's recent economic boom. It's just my own theory, anyway.

Also, if you were to visit some Chinese social event (church for example), there are distinct groups of people. It's not just middle class white collar workers, there are also lower class people and older people. There are multiple generations, from the older people (mostly Cantonese speaking, at least where I live), to the middle aged people, to the young people (either ABCs or international students).

Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by sliverstorm on Saturday December 03, 2011 @09:16PM (#3309624)
I don't mean to make any particular assertions about one ethnicity or another. My point is simply that, given the (genetically driven) physical variance between ethnicities, I expect there is a reasonable chance of (genetically driven) mental variance as well. In what way? I have no idea, and no opinion.
Re:Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check 'Asian' by thoerin on Sunday December 04, 2011 @02:02AM (#3310084)
Culture is often inherited along with genes.