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Re:Values Are Facts by nullc on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:07AM (#33091881)
You can encode an opinion into a fact by attributing it, but this doesn't make the opinion a fact-- only its fact encoded version is a fact and they aren't the same thing.

"This is a beautiful sunrise" -- opinion.

"Nullc thinks this is a beautiful sunrise" -- fact

But the beauty of the sunrise remains an opinion.

Being able to fact-wrap opinions and unmeasurables is an important communication skill since sometimes working with fact-wrapped views is sufficient, but it often isn't especially when it comes to setting rules for other people's behavior.

Re:Values Are Facts by morelisp on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:57AM (#33092159)
> "Nullc thinks this is a beautiful sunrise" -- fact

Even that's not a fact; the closest one can get is perhaps "nullc said 'This is a beautiful sunrise'". (You can't even really get to 'nullc said this is a beautiful sunrise'.)