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Re:Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheate... by Andrew_nenakhov on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:00PM (#33088315)
> Niemann was playing without any significant effort or tension, in spite of playing in a game where he was outplaying the world champion.

Carlsen was making mistakes. That wasn't his best game at all. Are we sure we aren't talking of this because someone's ego was hurt?

> And after the game he was unable to explain his own ideas, proposed ideas that were simply losing,

That doesn't mean anything at all

> referenced games that did not exist,

That did exist close enough to the period he mentioned. Remembering the position and analysis is necessary, remembering when exactly this position happened and even between whom exactly is utterly useless.

> and was generally (relative to the class of player here) clueless.

He didn't make a clueless impression to me. But I'm not Carlsen's fanboy whos accusations can cloud my own reasoning. If I was, I'd probably believe that Niemann is a proven cheater and would look for facts to confirm that bias.

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Re:Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheate... by sgjohnson on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:20PM (#33088522)
> If I was, I'd probably believe that Niemann is a proven cheater and would look for facts to confirm that bias.

But Niemann is a proven cheater. He admitted to it himself.

The only thing up for debate is how much he’s cheated.

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Re:Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheate... by Andrew_nenakhov on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:35PM (#33088698)
Whatever happened when he was a kid and played online is absolutely irrelevant in otb tournament that had anticheating measures which organisers considered to be sufficient to stop cheating.
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Re:Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheate... by jamespo on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @05:57AM (#33093344)
Hand waving "that's irrelevant" is not the get out you think it is
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Re:Chess Investigation Finds U.S. Grandmaster ‘Likely Cheate... by klwww on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:46PM (#33088826)
This is exactly right and confirmed by at least 20 GMs as well as Regan.

But once something is leaked to the WSJ, people believe it and downvote based on "authority". Which is why the leak occurred just before the US championships for maximum impact.

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