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Re:Climate Change Is the Product of How Capitalism “Values” ... by dbingham on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:31PM (#33087266)
It is a bit of a semantic dispute, but not an unimportant one.

We are causing a major extinction event that is up there with the worst ones the Earth has experienced. That said, the end result is likely to be that we either go extinct or come very close and the remaining life on Earth picks up the pieces and starts re-evolving new biodiversity from the diversity bottleneck.

It's happened before and life on Earth, as whole, will come out the other side of this bottleneck and move on (unless we've tripped some unimaginable feedback loop).

...it's just likely we won't be included in that life.

...and a major extinction event on this scale is nothing to sneeze at either. Really it's chilling enough that we, as a species, are potentially having a similar impact on Earth's biodiversity as the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. There's really no need to exaggerate that.

Re:Climate Change Is the Product of How Capitalism “Values” ... by jay_kyburz on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:41PM (#33087414)
I think we have the technology now (or in the next 100 years) to move some of our people into moon bases here on earth.

If I were Musk I would be building these now.

Re:Climate Change Is the Product of How Capitalism “Values” ... by sulcate on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @06:47PM (#33088186)
This is irrelevant and misses the point.

Even a completely 'trashed' earth that renders billions displaced or suffering amidst ecological catastrophe is still infinitely more hospitable to life than celestial bodies that are completely devoid of that benefit in the first place.

Re:Climate Change Is the Product of How Capitalism “Values” ... by jay_kyburz on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:56PM (#33091036)
I was responding to the op saying that humans face extinction. I don't think that true. I think we could have the tech to live in "moon bases" here on earth once it has been rendered a desolate rock. And yes, billions will die.
Re:Climate Change Is the Product of How Capitalism “Values” ... by titzer on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:51PM (#33087547)
Yes, a dead space rock with no resources will save us from our overconsumption of the resources of the one non-dead planet we know of.
Re:Climate Change Is the Product of How Capitalism “Values” ... by thwarted on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @06:05PM (#33087709)
Considering how this thread started, you're saying that we need to escape to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM

But more pragmatically, neither Biosphere project was considered successful enough to make this workable on earth at any large, or even small, scale. There is still much more work and research to do here. Any attempt here currently has a hard dependency on the larger ecosystem to supply it with inputs.

Musk working on building moonbases on earth looks a lot like what doomday preppers are already focused on.

Re:Climate Change Is the Product of How Capitalism “Values” ... by verdverm on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:43PM (#33087429)
Unlike the other instances, we have the potential to reverse the trend. Blaming capitalism does not help, it's just how we organize economically, to which there is no known better alternative
Re:Climate Change Is the Product of How Capitalism “Values” ... by aussiesnack on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:45PM (#33088810)
> Blaming capitalism does not help

Why should descriptions 'help'?

> to which there is no known better alternative

Why should there be? The only reason I can think of is if you have a prior religious/metaphysical belief in a specific species (in this case H. Sapiens) having a 'destiny'. If OTOH you see species as contingently arising, well, then: they come, they change, and sometimes they overrun, and go.